From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #522 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 22 Oct 1999 Vol 06 : Num 522 In this issue: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #520 the_dojang: combined chat rooms the_dojang: Taegueks/Palgwes the_dojang: RE: Stan's test the_dojang: Re: Receiving a Belt Re: the_dojang: Taegueks/Palgwes the_dojang: RE: Rank and belts the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~775 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Atchinson, Kerry M" Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 10:20:48 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #520 > From: "LESTER, CHARLES" > Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 16:07:39 -0400 > Subject: the_dojang: RE: RL experience > > Kerry wrote: > Glad she came through OK. But it raises a question: With her > training and > family background, why did she allow herself to be 'lured' into > danger? Or > could it be that having a BB rank gave a false sense of security ? ( > something that can happen to ALL of us ) > > Kerry > WTF TKD > > "Allow herself to be 'lured' into danger"? I didn't read it that way. The > way I see it, you can go through life expecting the worst from people or > you > can go through expecting the best. It seems to me that the cousin's > girlfriend was merely being a Good Samaritan (I would have probably done > the > same thing in the circumstances). Fortunately, when it turned out that > help > was not what the man wanted, she had the skills and reacted properly to > get > out of the situation. The psychological reaction is natural, especially if > an optimistic view of mankind has not been tempered in any fashion. This > does not mean you stop being a Good Samaritan, you just learn to be more > "situationally aware." > > Charles Lester > > Yeah, "lured" does seem strong. That's the way a father with two daughters sees it, though. What I was questioning was why her situational awareness was apparently turned off, given that she was a BB ( implying a lot of training ) and that her father was an instructor. I don't think this has anything to do with being a Good Samaritan. She could just as easily have offered to make a phone call or gone back into the station to find assistance for the stranger. As for people, I try to remember that they're human. They're all capable of both good and evil. Kerry ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 08:22:07 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: combined chat rooms FYI, we have combined the chatrooms for the_dojang-digest, eskrima-digest, and pmaa-digest (http://www.escribe.com/martialarts) into one single chatroom. You may enter it from www.escribe.com/martialarts/eskrima, www.escribe.com/martialarts/dojang, or www.eskrima.com/martialarts/pmaa. Ray Terry rterry@best.com ------------------------------ From: "Farral, Kim G" Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 10:27:18 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Taegueks/Palgwes Michelle: A little history on the forms first. (Anyone please correct this if I am wrong) General Choi developed the Hyungs (traditional patterns) practiced by the ITF. When he left South Korea for a Communist Country, dissassociation to General Choi and the ITF began. Thus began the WTF. In the process, the Palgwes were formed to replace the Hyungs as the WTF patterns. I believe all of them were developed in a period of 30 days (or so I have been informed). During the mid 80s approximately 1984, the USTU was founded to represent the sport aspect of TKD as opposed to the art. In order to level the playing field and avoid the political confrontations, the Taegueks were developed and adopted as the USTU patterns. The USTU falls under the guidance and auspices of the WTF. Therefore, either set of patterns is acceptable to USTU or WTF tourneys. However, State and National Competitions under the USTU allow ONLY Taegueks to be accepted in the cpompetition. At the local and regional level, either Taegueks or Palgwes are acceptable. In open tournaments, where (in my opinion and experience) you learn the most, any and all patterns are acceptable. Important to remember is that the Black Belt judges do not care which pattern you perform. They are not looking at the origin of the pattern or the affiliation. What they are watching for is focus, concentration, technique, power, flow, timing, balance, interpretation, etc. In competition do the pattern you feel most comfortanble with. Do not worry about winning a medal or trophy, though they are nice to receive, it is the competition that is important, NOT the material reward. The competion has many rewards in itself. Continue to go to as many competitions as you are able. Watch, participate, and learn. Open competitions are very eye-opening. Hope this helps. Keep Training. Pilseung K. G. Farral 4th Dan ------------------------------ From: "Atchinson, Kerry M" Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 10:39:49 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Stan's test > From: WojoSG@aol.com > Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 20:45:13 EDT > Subject: the_dojang: Re: How did the test go > > Great! We tested Wednesday evening. Almost the whole school tested and > we > all passed (various levels from gold to brown). I am now wearing a red > belt. > > The night before, I got to sleep no problem. Wednesday morning the > butterflies started up again (there was a thread about butterflies here > the > last time I tested several months ago). This time they were giant mutant > butterflies trying to claw their way out of my stomach. Intellectually I > knew I was ready for the test. But my stomach hadn't figured it out yet. > > Then as soon as I got to the dojang and started warming up, poof, they > melted > away to nothing. > Everything just flowed. Nailed my forms. Looked sharp during sparring. > > Broke two boards with a spin back kick on the first shot. I am still > pumped > but my throat is shot from my enthusiastic giyups. Next target, brown > belt. > > Pil Seung > Stan Wojcoski > 3rd Gup Red (for a whole day now) > PS congrats to you too, Darlene on your 1st Gup > > Way to go! Isn't it just too cool when everything falls into place? Kerry ------------------------------ From: dbuehrer@carl.org Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 09:58:26 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Receiving a Belt \ From: "Lady Black" \ \ In the Jamaica Power tradition.... here's a tough, thought provoking \ question for u guys: \ \ Were you pleased with your performance at your last test? Yes and no :) Physically I felt good. Mentally, I wasn't %100 (maybe %85). I know that you can't be %100 every day, but it was frustrating that was having a hard time focusing during the test. \ Did you ever take a test, \ receive a belt but think that your performance was not up to par? I've felt that I didn't meet my own expectations, but I've never doubted that I didn't meet my instructor's expectations. If I did, he would have told me. \ Did you ever think to refuse the belt being given by your \ instructor? No, and I hope that I never do. If I were to refuse a belt then that would indicate that I felt that I knew more than my instructor, which I don't and never will, and that I should be teaching him. - -David "My assistant, Bob the dinasaur, will now demonstrate how to give a cat a 'fur wedgie.'" ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 09:37:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: the_dojang: Taegueks/Palgwes > A little history on the forms first. (Anyone please correct this if > I am wrong) > General Choi developed the Hyungs (traditional patterns) practiced > by the ITF. When he left South Korea for a Communist Country, > dissassociation to General Choi and the ITF began. Lots of controversy over this. Many claim that the Gen's visit to NK was more the excuse the SK gov used to remove him from power over TKD than the actual direct cause. Or perhaps it was more the last straw. They (the SK gov) didn't want TKD to be just another one-man martial arts organization and he wanted to remain in power, so push came to shove. (I know I'll take heat over that one...) > so I have been informed). During the mid 80s approximately 1984, the USTU > was founded to represent the sport aspect of TKD as opposed to the art. In > order to level the playing field and avoid the political confrontations, the > Taegueks were developed and adopted as the USTU patterns. The USTU falls > under the guidance and auspices of the WTF. Yep, the USTU was formed in 1984. The AAU pretty much ran the show in the 70s, but they were unable to function as a NGB which was required by the USOC. (Dr. Ken Min, a Judo-ka, was the first president of the USTU as he had strong ties to the AAU.) I'd say the USTU is required to be closer in association to the USOC than the WTF/Kukkiwon. Master Silz or Ms. Sweet, care to correct anything in the above?? The Taegeuk forms were created in 1972, but many of the Korean masters in the US didn't even begin to use them until the 1980s. They had probably just gotten converted over to the Palgues by the time they were replaced, only four years later. I recall moving from from TSD to TKD in ~1977 and that TKD instructor was just then converting to use the Taegueks. He was probably one of the earlier ones. Many were probably waiting to see how much time would pass before the Taegeuks would be replaced... :) They've now been in use for 27 years. > Continue to go to as many competitions as you are able. Watch, > participate, and learn. Open competitions are very eye-opening. Great advice. Worth repeating... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ken Howard Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 12:38:07 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Rank and belts I have been out of touch with the world for a couple of months, took some quiet vacation time and went fishing (no television, no telephone and no power). I feel ready to take on the world now, or at least my knee surgery in two weeks. First though, I am trying to catch up on the list. I have to put my 2 cents in on the belt and rank subject. I left my first school because of differences with the head instructor. I started with the new school and went to a tournament that week. At that tournament my former instructor had a white belt (executive division) doing jumping spinning kicks at the basketball net. Being in the same division my 48 year old carcass figured I was going to require a large supply of analgesics and bone setting materials very soon. When asked about his background the "white belt" said he had six years of training, was 25 years old and was a brown belt at his previous club (Sikaran). My former instructor insisted the student fight as a white belt because he was beginner or white belt with his new style and as an executive because he was not in top shape. He conceded to let his student to compete in the adult division, but only as a white belt. Note: That student did not stay with that school very long. That instructor also permitted his students to spar as a higher belt to challenge for that belt colour. Go figure?? My own beliefs: I believe it is unethical at best for an instructor to tell/permit/force a student to spar at a lower level. I won't type what I think of those instructors. There are exceptions to this rule. I have seen students who are promoted because of their knowledge and effort put into their training. These students are physically challenged however (cerebral palsy/ blindness). I think a student may/must fight at a higher level if the student's sparring abilities are at the top of or beyond his belt level (see above) but, all parties must agree. Nuff said on my part, now I'll hobble off to my corner and shut up. Ken Howard khoward@cgc.ca ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 11:21:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #522 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com ===================================================================== To unsubscribe from this digest, the_dojang-digest, send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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