From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #527 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 25 Oct 1999 Vol 06 : Num 527 In this issue: the_dojang: Belt Colors the_dojang: Re: reminder the_dojang: Re: reminds me the_dojang: color belt meanings the_dojang: Re: so many seminars..so little $$ the_dojang: Patterns the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #522 the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #526 the_dojang: Must give credit Re: the_dojang: Patterns the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~775 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "tink" Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 14:16:09 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Belt Colors Alex: You can find the meaning of the differnet colors in General Choi's Encyclopedia of Tae Kwon DO. Here are the meanings of each color (slightly paraphrased): White: Innocence-As in a beginning student without knowledge. Yellow: Earth-From which a plant sprouts and takes root as in the foundation of TKD. Green: Growth-The plants growth as in a TKD student's skill develops. Blue: Heaven-Towards which the plant matures into a tree as in a the progression of TKD training. Red: Danger-Cautioning the student ot exercise control and warning an opponent to stay away. Black: Opposite of White-Maturity and proficiency in TKD as well as imperviousness to darkness and fear. K. G. Farral ------------------------------ From: d g Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 17:57:04 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: reminder > Whatever happens, don't let the person keep you from posting to the_dojang. > > What difference will it make? Just continue posting. This man does not stop me. I simply left his list. I do not approve of his communist ways and threats. Donna - -- NO!! My cycle doesn't leak! It marks it's territory. ------------------------------ From: d g Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 17:59:34 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: reminds me > "I saw the movie Iron and Silk on tv today. It was real good. It is a true > story. Do you think it would be good to go to an asian country to learn > martial arts? What would be the best way for me to do this in my future?" > > I recently saw the movie "the Matrix" Some ppl were telling me how great that movie was. I thought it was the most confusing movie I ever seen yet. The only thing I enjoyed was the martial arts moves in it. Donna - -- NO!! My cycle doesn't leak! It marks it's territory. ------------------------------ From: edwin davis Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 20:22:38 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: color belt meanings From: "aparedes" Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 21:57:29 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Color Belt Meaning I was just curious of the meaning of some of the other Dojang's Color Belts. i.e. White=Purity, Yellow= Gold, Blue=Sky, Red= Sun etc... Can anyone contribute their 2 cents? Alex Paredes In the TKD school i go to in MD the Instructor has it listed as: no belt-pure white-readiness to change colors yellow-sunrise green-spring blue-sky brown-earth red-blood BLACK the accumalation of all colors and the most dense knowledge Edwin Davis edavis@us.hsanet.net ------------------------------ From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 21:54:16 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: so many seminars..so little $$ alright...who's going to start the Poor Martial Artists' Seminar Fund, eh? :) i keep seeing all of these seminar announcements and my mouth waters. yet, i open my wallet and.....boohoo. deep sigh. alas, melinda (who is looking for a better job tomorrow :) ------------------------------ From: Andrew Pratt Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 15:19:15 +0900 Subject: the_dojang: Patterns Dear all, I have two questions relating to patterns. 1. I am interested in Hapkido knife patterns. I have only seen a few of these. I saw a simple one recently and thought it might be fun to learn it. The sequence is a knife (dobong?) defence against sword (shinai/chukto). The sequence goes something like:: 1.attacker attacks with a straight cut. defender blocks with the knife above the head) like a high block. 2. Attacker than attacks to the defender's face. Defender blocks 3. Attacker now attacks the defender's hip on the right hand side. The defender blocks to the right with the pint facing downwards 4. Attacker now strikes at the defenders leading foot. The defender now jumps over the strike. My second question is about the patterns used in Taekwon-do and its derivatives. I would like to compile a list of patterns that each art teaches. I would be grateful if any list members could fill in the many blanks: I would also be interested to know if the Palgwe and Taeguks were developed by one man, or put together 'by committee.' 1. WTF TKD a. Palgwe - not always taught anymore. I can only remember learning one or two. I may have been taught them when I had a short spell at Tangsoodo b. Taeguk - Developed in 1972 c. - Dan patterns. Do not seem to have a name as a group. 2. ITF WTF a. Chonji - first set of patterns developed by General Choi based on his experience of Shotokan Karate (I am not trying to start a flame war here) 3. Tangsoodo/Subakdo a. Chilsung - high level patterns based on interpreting the 'kwonbop' pattern described in the Muye Tobo T'ongji 4. Songham TKD a. own developed patterns b. WTF TKD patterns 5. Choi Kwan-do 6. TAGB I think when they were under Hee Il Choi they had a unique set of patterns. Is this correct? Any other schools or styles? Moving away from TKD: 7. Hapkido No standardized set of patterns. Some schools teach patterns of varying length, others have no patterns. 8. Kuk Sul Won 9. Hwarangdo Any replies gratefully received. If this list can be 'completed' then I will re-post it to the list. Thanks in advance, Andrew Pratt ------------------------------ From: "Vaught, Clifford (CLF N6Y2K8)" Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 08:01:59 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #522 Seems I missed the initiating conversations on the testing issue as well as the promotion issue. One of the things I love about the Soo Bahk Do Moo Duk Kwan Federation is standardization. On the promotion issue, there are time-in-rank requirements to move on in the Dan ranks. For each additional "degree" of Dan, add another year to time in rank so to move from 2nd Dan to 3rd requires 3 years in rank, 5th to 6th requires 6 years in rank. When you make "Master" in SBDMDK, you've had to train at least 14 years (4th Dan). To make it to the pinnacle of the rank structure adds another 18 years (7th Dan). I'd say by then you truly are a Master at that art. As far as testing goes, when I was in a Norris system Tang Soo Do school, an examination was exactly that - a test. In the Moo Duk Kwan, the event is called a Dan Classing Championship and is a demonstration. Yes you can fail, either parts or the whole, however, your instructor would never allow you to participate in the event if you hadn't already "passed" the test in the dojang. A different perspective. Cliff Vaught ------------------------------ From: "Vaught, Clifford (CLF N6Y2K8)" Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 07:49:17 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #526 In Soo Bahk Do Moo Duk Kwan, the colors of the belts represent seasons (white - winter, green - spring, red - summer, blue - autumn), which correlates to growing seasons as well (white - dormant, newness; green - growth, spreading of the Moo Duk Kwan; red - ripening; blue - harvest). There's obvious correlations to the experience. Cliff ------------------------------ From: JEREMYT@ATFI.COM (JeremyT) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 08:25:05 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Must give credit Dear list members of the Dojang Digest. It was brought to my attention that I plagerized my posting on Gen. Choi by Glenn who still likes to over see this list. Plagerize: To steal or use (the ideas and writings of another's) as one's own. I did not steal history and say that I made it up, nor did I write someone's work down verbatim. However since I would hate to be accused of not giving people the credit they deserve, the posting that I sent was based on a similar posting that Glenn Uesegi of the TKD-net. (Does this make you feel better Glenn?) Jeremy WJDKF/MACS ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 06:57:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: the_dojang: Patterns > I would also be interested to know if the Palgwe and Taeguks were > developed by one man, or put together 'by committee.' Yes. :) Typically one master (with help from his followers) was assigned one form in the set to create. Then they were then all put together to create the entire set. 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