From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #528 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 25 Oct 1999 Vol 06 : Num 528 In this issue: the_dojang: re: belt colors [none] the_dojang: Boorish fringe members the_dojang: Re: Belt Promotion the_dojang: one for jeremy the_dojang: RE: HKD Videos [none] the_dojang: The Matrix the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #526 Re: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #526 the_dojang: Color Belt Meaning the_dojang: Plagarizing, Matrix, Seminars the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #524 the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~775 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Laura Kamienski" Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 10:09:34 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: re: belt colors Meaning of Belt Colors White Belt - represents innocence, the beginner who is pure in mind and knows nothing of Tae Kwon Do. Gold Belt - represents gold ore, this shows that one must begin to explore, to work and dig to achieve. Green Belt - represents the green tree, showing that one must grow like the mighty oak to a great height. Blue Belt - represents the blue sky, which is higher than the tree yet surrounds the tree and nourishes it. Red Belt - represents the color of the sun, higher than the sky and shines down on all, and is looked up to by all. Black Belt - represents the heavens and that the student has a mastery of basic techniques. A black belt is a beginner. Laura 1st dan Chin Mu Kwan - Tae Kwon Do lkamiens@ptd.net lkamnski@bucknell.edu http://home.switchboard.com/LKamienski ____________________________________________________ "The destination is not the purpose of a journey; death is not the purpose of life." -Thich Nhat Hanh ____________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: dbuehrer@carl.org Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 07:55:50 -0600 Subject: [none] \ From: Ken Howard \ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 22:32:23 -0500 \ Subject: the_dojang: RE: Receiving a Belt \ \ > \ Did you ever think to refuse the belt being given by your \ > \ instructor? \ > \ Time for me to rant again. \ \ During my testing for my yellow belt I tore up my knee and had some \ difficulty trying to complete my forms and in sparring. \ \ Much of that day is a blur to me. When I was sparring I did a great \ impression of being a semi-mobile punching bag while standing on one leg. I \ remember being angry, a calm cold type of anger due to pain and was \ determined to finish my forms. The panel would not allow me to finish and I \ did not know why at that time. When the oral portion of the test began I \ was only asked one question and it wasn't one I was expecting. My answer \ was "NO SIR!" I was dismissed from the floor again. At the end of this I \ was given my yellow belt. \ \ I did not understand why as I had not completed all the forms etc. that I \ was told I had to do to pass the testing. My instructor explained that the \ panel knew that I had learned and understood all I was required for the \ belt. I accepted receiving the belt then. And I think this award was well founded. IMHO, belt requirement consists of equal parts of attendance, participation, and the test. As an instructor explained it to me, if you show up to class (on time and ready to learn) you get %100, if you participate and strive to learn you get another %100. Come test time you only need 50% (but you'd better try for %100 ;) which you get just for testing. Note, this is for the Gup tests. I don't know yet what the BB requirements are. \ I ingested some Tylenol 3, headed off to the hospital, found out what I did \ to my knee and took several weeks off from practice. \ \ When I started practicing again the master told me I was due for my next \ testing in two weeks. I told him there was no way I was ready. My \ instructor agreed with me. The master stated it was scheduled, like a \ school exam, and I had to be there. This isn't the philosophy at the Dojang I attend. If a student hasn't attended at least 16 classes come test time, they don't test until they've met the attendance requirement. \ A week later I was with a different school. That orange belt is used to tie \ up my tomato stakes; that is all it is worth to me. Sorry, but IMHO using the orange belt for gardening is giving it a *lot* of value. \ That master has told me, and others, that I showed him great disrespect and \ dishonour for leaving his school. I feel that it was the only honourable \ thing I could do. I don't think it's possible to disrespect someone. You either show them respect, or you don't. And I definitly feel that it's not possible to dishonor someone. It is only possible to dishonor yourself. I feel that the instructor should have contacted you and asked you why you left, and tried to accomodate you. Barring that he should have wished you luck on the course that you had chosen. All IMHO. - -David "Warm nights, good food, kindred spirits....great life!" ------------------------------ From: "The Hostetlers" Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 09:15:04 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Boorish fringe members > Dear list members of the Dojang Digest. It was brought to my > attention that I plagerized my posting on Gen. Choi by Glenn who still > likes to over see this list. MS Outlook, Eudora, and several other e-mail programs have excellent twit filters, and Glenn is a prime target. IMAO, what you quoted was NOT plagiarism, because you didn't represent it as an original work. Improper crediting, maybe, but that's no sin. Robert W. Hostetler Office: hostetb@indy.navy.mil Indianapolis, IN Home: hostetb@iserve.net If the pen is mightier than the sword, and a picture is worth a thousand words, how dangerous is a fax? ------------------------------ From: dbuehrer@carl.org Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 08:11:42 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Belt Promotion \ From: dequayle@olypen.com \ \ My instructor never recommends me for a test unless he knows I have the \ skill and knowledge to pass it. More than likely if I weren't ready, he and \ I would agree to wait a longer time before testing. He respects us enough \ to ask who would like to test around the same time as when he gives us a \ pre-test. I agree with David in that I wouldn't second guess my instructor \ in his decisions and recommendations. \ \ David wrote: \ >No, and I hope that I never do. If I were to refuse a belt then that would \ >indicate that I felt that I knew more than my instructor, which I don't and \ >ever will, and that I should be teaching him. I just want to point out that I respect my instructor very much. Not only is he a 7th Dan, he's very wise (in a street smart kind of way), and he's pretty cool. I have no doubts that he doesn't know what he's doing. However, I understand that there are some instructors that aren't... as experienced. - -David "Wisdom has two parts: having a lot to say, and not saying it." ------------------------------ From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 12:14:36 EDT Subject: the_dojang: one for jeremy here's a quote for the day that i thought jeremy might particularly enjoy :).... "It is amazing what you can accomplish if you do not care who gets the credit." Harry S. Truman (1884-1972) 33rd U.S. President ------------------------------ From: Don.Hahn@phs.com Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 09:35:55 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: RE: HKD Videos The latest TKD Times has an ad for all books and videos available from the World Hapkido Fed., founder GM Kwang Sik Myung. If anyone is interested, I have a scanned copy that can be sent via email. Contact me offline if interested. ------------------------------ From: "Van Niel, JJ" Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 12:51:56 -0400 Subject: [none] I was watching one of those extreme fighting videos last night and I was wondering why Jui-Jitsu seemed to beat all of the other competitors (Kyokushin, Greco-Roman, Kenpo, etc....)? This seems to be the case in many of the fights I have seen. Regards JJ ------------------------------ From: "Dennis McHenry" Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 12:45:42 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: The Matrix Donna: <> That's my most favorite movie of all time. My wife and kids think so also. My wife even said that it would be the only movie she would ever consider purchasing. It has some serious deep profound social thoughts, computer references, martial arts, visual effects and photography, and mind/thought control in it. It doesn't get any better than that! (I know, I must be a real geek!) Mac ------------------------------ From: TKDSCRIBE@aol.com Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 13:42:14 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #526 In a message dated 10/24/99 11:53:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: > Just catching up on some back issues. > > Congrats to Master Steven Silz for getting an article published in the > October '99 issue of Martial Arts Illustrated! > > Ray Terry Thanks, Mr Terry, but where can I get a copy? Steven E Silz ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 11:06:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #526 > In a message dated 10/24/99 11:53:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: > > > Just catching up on some back issues. > > > > Congrats to Master Steven Silz for getting an article published in the > > October '99 issue of Martial Arts Illustrated! > > > > Ray Terry > > Thanks, Mr Terry, but where can I get a copy? > Steven E Silz The magazine didn't send you a copy? That is strange. I'll send you my copy, if you like. Just let me know. You should have a copy of your own article... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Dennis McHenry" Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 12:57:42 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Color Belt Meaning Alex, I'll give you mine: white = white yellow = yellow orange = orange green = green blue = blue purple = purple brown = brown red = red black = black Hope this helps! ;-) I know that must look stupid, but I don't always try to over analyze or philosophize things like this. It's just a color. You can put meanings to them, but it's just a color representing a specific level and experience. What about a grandmaster that wears a block white/red belt? I've seen styles where a Yellow belt is Dan level, and I've heard of another one where White belt was the highest level. My Dan level color is Navy blue, and my Grandmaster has one side of his belt Blue, the other Red. Mine is Blue trimmed in red (red strip along the top and bottom). I have a black belt with a red strip running down the middle length wise. What does that say about me?? I know, I'm all confused and screwed up - that's what you are thinking, right? Maybe my instructor is just playing a bad trick on me... putting different colors on my belt - just waiting to see what I will do next... "I'm still just a rat in a cage", someone else's humiliating experiment :-( Mac, I think.... i'm not so sure anymore... ------------------------------ From: Ernest Hart Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 15:37:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: the_dojang: Plagarizing, Matrix, Seminars On Mon, 25 Oct 1999 the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com wrote: > From: d g > What difference will it make? Just continue posting. This man does not > stop me. I simply left his list. I do not approve of his communist ways > and threats. Donna Communist? :) > From: d g > I recently saw the movie "the Matrix" Some ppl were telling me how great > that movie was. I thought it was the most confusing movie I ever seen > yet. The only thing I enjoyed was the martial arts moves in it. Donna I thought that there were some pretty heavy philosophical/religious type questions that were brought up by the movie. Really sparked some interesting discussions with friends of the type that used to keep me up all night in school. But I agree that thinking about the movie while trying to watch it would be confusing at best. Headache at worst. > From: ChunjiDo@aol.com > Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 21:54:16 EDT > Subject: the_dojang: Re: so many seminars..so little $$ > alright...who's going to start the Poor Martial Artists' Seminar Fund, eh? :) I don't know, but if you find out, let me know. :) > i keep seeing all of these seminar announcements and my mouth waters. yet, i > open my wallet and.....boohoo. deep sigh. Seminars... I've seen so many good and bad seminars that I always ask someone who's gone before I recommend them. It seems that price is almost unrelated to quality as well. Sometimes training in some person's garage rivals the most expensive seminar. It all depends on the person and the questions. > From: JEREMYT@ATFI.COM (JeremyT) > Plagerize: To steal or use (the ideas and writings of another's) as > one's own. And a truly bad thing to do in academic circles. I am guilty of using other's ideas without giving them due credit as well, although I am getting better about it. Some people get really annoyed about this, and IMHO, we should all avoid this whenever possible. E. Hart Hinesburg, VT - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ E. Hart ehart@zoo.uvm.edu - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ From: "John Oss" Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 15:43:44 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #524 In reply to Mr. Paredes question on reading Korean email, Mr. Paredes, In response to your query through the Dojang Digest, I will assume that you are getting a lot of seemingly garbled info as the "different computer language". If this is so, open the message in question, check your email program's (such as MS Outlook) "View" (top bar), then select "Language". If Korean displays, select it and the text should appear as Korean text. If this language does not appear as an option for you, got to the help option of your email program and look under Language or Multi-Language support and your should be able to find the answer there. For translating Korean to English, that is well beyond my language skill set. Hope that this is of assistance. John P. Oss john.p.oss@sympatico.ca I am a student of Tae Kwon Do (Red belt with Black Stripe). ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 13:05:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #528 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com ===================================================================== To unsubscribe from this digest, the_dojang-digest, send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com in pub/the_dojang/digests. 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