From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #529 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 25 Oct 1999 Vol 06 : Num 529 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #528 the_dojang: Matrix and Fight Club the_dojang: ground fighting and self defense the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #523 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #523 the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~775 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Aaron Harmon" Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 13:45:47 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #528 >From: "Van Niel, JJ" >Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 12:51:56 -0400 >Subject: [none] > >I was watching one of those extreme fighting videos last night and I was >wondering why Jui-Jitsu seemed to beat all of the other competitors >(Kyokushin, Greco-Roman, Kenpo, etc....)? This seems to be the case in many >of the fights I have seen. > >Regards >JJ I would think it is a matter of tactics. Many martial arts systems do not have a 'drop the guy and finish him' attitude to their techniques like BJJ does. Many have a 'pop the guy, back off, and let him think about it while you plan your escape' attitude. I think that for unarmed self-defense (about the worst tactical situation you can be in) the second choice is better, cause you do not want to escalate the incident when you really hold none of the cards. Now, for single combat, when you know that their friends are not going to jump in, and they do not have a weapon, and it is pretty much a fair fight, it is hard to beat someone who's focus is to stay with you until you are beat. Which creates an interesting paradox if you are focusing on real-self-defense. I could have said that better, what I was trying to say was, in real life self defense, being on the ground is usually bad, but in a sport like the UFC being on the ground with your opponent so that you can continue to work on him is good. I had heard (can not remember where) that Jujitsu styles, before competitions became popular, did not have much ground fighting, because being on the ground in a real life or death situation is BAD. After the focus changed to competition, ground techniques became more important, since now survival wasn't at stake, but your win/loss record was. There is on 'survived' column in a boxers record. "Yeah my record may be 2 and 50, but I survived all of MY fights!" And as far as Jujitsu beating all of the wrestling type styles, I do not know, a lot of the best extreme fighting/UFC fighters have a wrestling background instead of a jujitsu background. My $.02 Aaron Harmon The trouble with the rat race is that even if you win, you're still a rat. -- Lily Tomlin ------------------------------ From: "David Chinell" Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 16:43:30 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Matrix and Fight Club ~~~~~ But I agree that thinking about the movie while trying to watch it would be confusing at best. Headache at worst. ~~~~~ Easy fix for that is to see it several times. AND let me recommend the Fight Club. It has no redeeming martial arts stuff, but it seems to speak to several issues at the core of the male warrior spirit. It's not really about fighting very much either, although there are some good fight scenes. -- Bear ------------------------------ From: "Aaron Harmon" Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 13:52:22 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: ground fighting and self defense Does anybody practice anything like this? It is a neat idea I just had. Self-defense sparring Sparring where one of you is the aggressor and the other is the defender. The aggressors purpose is to beat the defender and the defender's job is to get away (out a door, or across a line on the floor etc.). You could do submission style wrestling this way too. The aggressor want to get you to submit, the defender wants to get out of the attackers control and OTD (Out the Door). You could have third party target scenarios also, I.e. the attacker needs to beat up defender number 1 and defender 1 and 2 both need to get OTD to win. Aaron Harmon The trouble with the rat race is that even if you win, you're still a rat. -- Lily Tomlin - - ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 17:15:54 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #523 In a message dated 10/22/99 4:55:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << I left this school after being physically attacked by the Masters star black belt after practicing self-defense techniques. I didn't antagonize this individual on purpose, I just performed the techniques better than him and he beceame frustrated and humiliated. Because he was "shown up" in front of the rest of the class, he felt like he had to defend his honor. I believe this individual was promoted prematurely. >> Ok, Daniel, this is a little vague here. What did you do exactly to have a black belt "attack" you? Were you a black belt at the time? Were you hurt or just embarrassed? Am just trying to understand the picture here. Illona ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 17:14:13 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #523 In a message dated 10/22/99 4:55:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << So, to avoid stiring up controversy in my club and at the same time, be true to myself, I just didn't show up for the test. >> Daniel, in that school are you asked to test or do you put in for the testing? Or does the whole school have to test at the same time, no matter what? In our old school if you would have NOT shown up for a test that you were EXPECTED to be at ... you were automatically released from the school. If you were deathly sick or died ... that would be a good excuse for him. But because you didn't think you were ready ... nope, not a good reason. Illona ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 17:22:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #529 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com ===================================================================== To unsubscribe from this digest, the_dojang-digest, send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com in pub/the_dojang/digests. 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