From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #530 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Tues, 26 Oct 1999 Vol 06 : Num 530 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: Color Belt Meaning the_dojang: Re: Plagarizing, Matrix, Seminars the_dojang: Wrestling VS other stuff the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #528 the_dojang: ready for testing? the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #528 Re: the_dojang: ready for testing? the_dojang: Re: Belt Colors the_dojang: Belt Colors Re: the_dojang: Belt Colors the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~775 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: d g Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 19:36:39 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Color Belt Meaning From: "Dennis McHenry" Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 12:57:42 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Color Belt Meaning > Maybe my instructor is just playing a bad trick on me... putting different > colors on my belt - just waiting to see what I will do next... "I'm still just > a rat in a cage", someone else's humiliating experiment :-( > > Mac, I think.... i'm not so sure anymore... > > > No. there r meanings to it. I like our federations the best. It makes it into a story. In all martial arts there r meanings. I will post on the story to mine later as soon as I find a old post that I did on that. Donna - -- NO!! My cycle doesn't leak! It marks it's territory. ------------------------------ From: d g Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 19:44:42 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Plagarizing, Matrix, Seminars > From: Ernest Hart > Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 15:37:04 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: the_dojang: Plagarizing, Matrix, Seminars > > On Mon, 25 Oct 1999 the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com wrote: > > From: d g > > What difference will it make? Just continue posting. This man does not > > stop me. I simply left his list. I do not approve of his communist ways > > and threats. Donna > > Communist? :) > > Hey, what else would u call a government (The Three Musketeers of the "other list") who harrasses and threatens ppl? :) I do not hate them. I just disapprove. They have no power over me and I wonder why ppl allow them to have power over them. What happened between the two lists should remain between the owners of these lists. No-one has the right to govern that list like that. This was supposed to be a list where everyone was equal. Like Animal Farm the pigs took over. Pretty soon the colors will have to call everyone by their proper titles again. Donna - -- NO!! My cycle doesn't leak! It marks it's territory. ------------------------------ From: Michael Sarles Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 18:37:00 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Wrestling VS other stuff > > From: "Aaron Harmon" > Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 13:45:47 -0700 > Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #528 > > >From: "Van Niel, JJ" > >Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 12:51:56 -0400 > >Subject: [none] > > > >I was watching one of those extreme fighting videos last night and I was > >wondering why Jui-Jitsu seemed to beat all of the other competitors > >(Kyokushin, Greco-Roman, Kenpo, etc....)? This seems to be the case in > many > >of the fights I have seen. > > > >Regards > >JJ I think what one has to remember is the strength of a particular martial art. I myself have spent a little time (not enough) fighting people who take judo or students that have come into class that were excellent wrestlers in school. What I have found is that TKD is not inferior to these styles...but if I was too slow getting out of the way of someone purposely trying to find a way to get me to the ground...I went down. On the other hand...TKD is the "foot/fist way" ... once you are on the ground you still have many techniques that you can use. A lot of wrestlers that don't have finishing techniques are also quite useless on the ground. What are you going to do...pin your opponent into submission? There are plenty of elbow, gouges, punches, etc. that can be used on the ground. A simple thumb to the base of the throat tends to get someone's attention very quickly. Unfortunatley, a lot of TKD'ers forget about their hands once on the ground. Secondly...it's always good to learn some good submission / bar (arm bar, leg bar, etc.) techniques to add to your arsenal. But then...I could be full of poop too! Just my experience. Michael Sarles msarles@ior.com ------------------------------ From: CBAUGHN@aol.com Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 21:43:54 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #528 Robert Hostetler wrote: << MS Outlook, Eudora, and several other e-mail programs have excellent twit filters, and Glenn is a prime target. >> ROFLMAO! ! ! ! Sally cbaughn@aol.com ------------------------------ From: "Emil J. Fisk" Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 11:01:51 +0800 Subject: the_dojang: ready for testing? Illona, "In our old school if you would have NOT shown up for a test that you were EXPECTED to be at ... you were automatically released from the school. If you were deathly sick or died ... that would be a good excuse for him. But because you didn't think you were ready ... nope, not a good reason." Whoa... That sounds like some strict grading policy. I can't see how something like that could have been instituted. We are required by our association to hold a grading every three months, with a certified external examiner present. In other words, our chief instructor is not allowed to grade the students. But we never force the students to take the grading. If they don't feel they're ready, they don't have to go. I've known some students to stay at a belt for over a year just because they didn't feel they were ready. Sometimes they'll take my recommendation and go for the next belt level, and sometimes they won't. One student has been at 2nd gup for almost a year and a half, and I think he's good enough to go for 1st gup. I spoke with him the other day and he'll sitting for the next grading. Then again, there are also those students that think they're ready for the grading, who I don't believe will pass. It's happened several times that I've told people not to go, and they still go and fail. This happens a lot at the gup level, but many times when people test for their poom or dan. If only people would listen... It also sounds very harsh to kick a student out just because he didn't show up. We teach mostly children, and we can't blame them for a no-show. We have to remember that sometimes their parents get distracted and have other obligations to take care of. I've even had parents forget what day the grading was, and because of that, their child is left at their level for another three months. I'd say on average we get about a 5% no-show. What I would like to see instead of a grading is a system where the instructor just hands out the next belt to the student. I see a lot of people that focus too much on the grading and attendance, and don't really care about how a person performs in class. They might be lazy, playful, or whatever, and yet still be serious and do very well at the grading. Should this student be allowed to the next belt level because he performed well for 10 minutes even though he was playing around in class for the past three months? The classtime should be a period of constant evaluation instead, thus making the students work hard and at their best behavior all the time. When the instructor feels they're ready, he simply calls the student in front of the class and congratulates him or her for oustanding performance and attitude, here's your next gup certificate or belt, yadda yadda yadda. Does anybody have a system like that? Sincerely, Emil Fisk ------------------------------ From: CBAUGHN@aol.com Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 23:22:35 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #528 Robert Hostetler wrote: << MS Outlook, Eudora, and several other e-mail programs have excellent twit filters, and Glenn is a prime target. >> ROFLMAO! ! ! ! Sally cbaughn@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 21:17:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: the_dojang: ready for testing? > EXPECTED to be at ... you were automatically released from the school. If > you were deathly sick or died ... that would be a good excuse for him. But > because you didn't think you were ready ... nope, not a good reason." > > Whoa... That sounds like some strict grading policy. I can't see how > something like that could have been instituted. We are required by our > association to hold a grading every three months, with a certified external > examiner present. In other words, our chief instructor is not allowed to > grade the students. Different schools are different. And no one better plagiarize that! :) These are school not for children, but I know of schools where if you even miss two or three classes in a row you are kicked out of the school. These schools are not easy to get into given what is taught, but not showing up for class, especially w/o calling ahead to let the instructor know, just shows that you aren't really serious about learning that style/system. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Timothy Bruening Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 22:52:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: Belt Colors On Mon, 25 Oct 1999 10:09:34 -0400, "Laura Kamienski" wrote: >Subject: the_dojang: re: belt colors > >Meaning of Belt Colors > >White Belt - represents innocence, the beginner who is pure in mind and >knows nothing of Tae Kwon Do. > >Gold Belt - represents gold ore, this shows that one must begin to explore, >to work and dig to achieve. > >Green Belt - represents the green tree, showing that one must grow like the >mighty oak to a great height. > >Blue Belt - represents the blue sky, which is higher than the tree yet >surrounds the tree and nourishes it. > >Red Belt - represents the color of the sun, higher than the sky and shines >down on all, and is looked up to by all. I thought that the sun was yellow. > >Black Belt - represents the heavens and that the student has a mastery of >basic techniques. A black belt is a beginner. I am a Low Green belt in ITC Taekwondo Karate in Davis. My belt colors go White, Orange, Yellow, Low Green, High Green, Purple, Blue, Brown, Red, Red Black, and Black. What do orange, yellow, purple, and brown mean? ------------------------------ From: "Farral, Kim G" Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 07:05:49 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Belt Colors OK:.... As all of you can see, there are many different interpretations of the belt colors...the interpretations depend upon the instructor's interpretation, of which there are many, and depends upon the style of art and the interpretation the art has established. As for me...My art is Tae Kwon Do...General Choi is the founder...I rely upon his established meanings and definitions as the basis for the art. Others are free to select and choose their own based upon whatever they desire to believe in. There are no rules for the color of belts...therefore the many different interpretations. One anacdote which was told to me when I first started TKD over 20 years ago: All belts were White...the harder and more frequent you trained, the dirtier and blacker it became until it was all Black...at which point the harder and more frequently oyu trained...the more thread barren the belt became returning to the original White...Completing the Circle. Use this information for whatever it is worth...but stick by by your beliefs. K. G. Farral ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 06:19:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: the_dojang: Belt Colors > One anacdote which was told to me when I first started TKD over 20 years > ago: All belts were White...the harder and more frequent you trained, the > dirtier and blacker it became until it was all Black...at which point the > harder and more frequently oyu trained...the more thread barren the belt > became returning to the original White...Completing the Circle. I, too, heard this for the first time 25 or more years ago. It is your standard 'urban legend'. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 06:12:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #530 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com ===================================================================== To unsubscribe from this digest, the_dojang-digest, send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com in pub/the_dojang/digests. 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