From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #533 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 27 Oct 1999 Vol 06 : Num 533 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #532 the_dojang: Re: ROFLMAO [none] the_dojang: Re: Rite of Passing... Re: your mail the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #532 the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~775 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John Groff" Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 03:54:41 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #532 >> WojoSG@aol.com wrote: >>I've figured out most of the simple ones but I must admit I am stumped on >>this one. << ROFLMAO >> >>Could someone please enlighten me? I think someone had published an address >>where some of these shorthand things were documented, but I can't find that >>either. >>Thanks, >>Stan Wojcoski I think that's "Rolling On the Floor Laughing My Ass Off". - --cj ------------------------------ From: dbuehrer@carl.org Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 07:34:25 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: ROFLMAO \ From: WojoSG@aol.com \ \ I've figured out most of the simple ones but I must admit I am stumped on \ this one. << ROFLMAO >> \ Could someone please enlighten me? Rolling On the Floor, Laughing My Ass Off \ I think someone had published an address \ where some of these shorthand things were documented, but I can't find that \ either. Use any search engine (Yahoo, Lycos, etc) to search for Netiquette :) ------------------------------ From: "Raymond Ambrose" Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 08:41:19 CDT Subject: [none] "What do orange, yellow, purple, and brown mean?" More money for the school! For issue's now I have been reading this color means this, and that color means that. Systems and school's will and have put their own meanings to belt colors. Who cares. What is important is does the person who just received his/her new rank/title deserve it. If not it doesn't matter if it stands for innocence or that the holder is impervious to fear. All it came down to is that they paid their fee. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: CBAUGHN@aol.com Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 10:28:37 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Rite of Passing... aparedes@gateway.net wrote: << I read your posting about the testing and I'm really interested in your experience of the " Rite of Passing." Would you mind telling me more and in detail about your experience? Thank You.. I Run a Chang Moo Kwan Tae Kwon Do School out of the YMCA in Southern Ca. and I'm always open for new experiences and ideas. >> It occurred to me that if Alex was interested, others might be as well, so here is the ceremony for my son's Shotokan karate school. Lights were lowered, and the path to the center of the room was lined with candles. Senior black belts wearing black gi tops and hakama made an arch of swords for the candidates (wearing white gi and white belt) to enter the room. As they moved out of the archway, candidates were escorted to a position in front of a long, low table and asked to sit before the master instructor. The seniors followed the candidates into the room and moved to sit on tiered benches behind the master. At this point, the master stuck a gong three times, greeted each candidate by name, and the ceremony began The seniors then took turns making small speeches, reciting appropriate poems, giving gifts, and explaining some of the gifts that were being given - -- a small, white cup (signifying Illona’s “empty cup” to fill and refill), a white candle to light the path and clear away darkness. Each time a new person spoke, the master would strike the gong. It was a beautiful, clear sound, almost like a bell rather than a gong. Other gifts were a black gi top with the candidate’s name embroidered on the lapel, a black hakama, a samurai sword, and a copy of “The Karate-Do Kyohan,” by Gishin Funakoshi. The candidate put on the black top and the hakama, and was asked to remove his white belt as a black belt was passed through the hands of each senior -- each adding a comment or wish of good luck as he passed it on. Finally, the master received the belt, stood, loosely tied it on his waist, then removed it and tied it on the new black belt. If there was only one candidate, the ceremony would end there; otherwise each candidate would received his or her own belt individually. The ceremony was low key, but very impressive. Following the ceremony, the master would again strike the gong three times, ask the new dans to rise and would present them to their comrades, family, and friends. Then the lights would come up, the congratulations began, and light refreshments were served while the “formal portrait” of all the black belts in attendance was made and the seniors each signed the new black belt’s book and entered individual good wishes. You might have expected some of these people to react with animosity about the Oriental influence and strange rituals, but it didn't happen. That caused me to wonder if sometimes we aren't too sensitive about how "outsiders" will view our schools and traditions. My mother-in-law is a real fundamental Baptist, and she saw nothing out of the way or threatening to her religion in the ceremony. As you may imagine, it was a memory for a lifetime -- it took place four years ago, and I can still see it clearly in my mind. : ) Sally cbaughn@aol.com Forgot to mention that the testing fee was $250.00 and included the ceremony and gifts and refreshments! ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 08:54:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: your mail > "What do orange, yellow, purple, and brown mean?" > More money for the school! Right. I think it was Tiger Claw that came up with something like an 18 gup level scheme? Colors upon colors upon colors. And $ upon $ upon $... But the kids do seem to love getting a new/different belt. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 14:03:40 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #532 In a message dated 10/27/99 3:47:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << He said no disciplinary action would be taken with the student and that I should use this as a learning experience. At the time I was only a white belt and I felt there was something patently wrong with a school who would tolerate such behavior from a black belt and I personally feel that an individual such as that is unfit to receive martial training.>> Wow ! You should use this as a learning experience ??? No disciplinary action would be taken on the black belt that attacked a white belt and tried to cause bodily harm ??? This is ridiculous !! No wonder he is the way he is and thinks he can do what he did on others ... because of the lack of discipline from his Instructor ! This wouldn't cut it in my school here, I can tell you that right now !! I would have walked right out of that school without a look back and I would have told the Instructor/Owner "why" I was leaving and would never recommend his school to anyone either. << Currently, I am a green belt in tae kwon do. I have six years previous experience in Ving Tsun kung fu and Tai Chi Chuan. I have started studying taekwondo to improve my kicks. In my current school, they write the test date on the bulletin board, the instructor goes over the requirements for the test a week before the actual date, and then he tells everyone to show up and do their best. I hope this clears things up a little.>> Yes, interesting how differently everyone does their testings. Thank you for explaining it to me. He does expect everyone in the school to show up. Interesting. Personally, I don't like this way because I hate to "not pass" anyone that isn't ready. That is why they test by invitation only. I like to keep the self esteem up high ... this world tries it hardest to depress us everyday in other ways ... I don't want it done here too. <> Well, Daniel, you would be a breath of fresh air in my school and it would be an honor to have such a student as yourself in our school. You have found your path and are traveling on it ... and you are happy and secure with it. That is wonderful. Yes, I feel the same about it when I search for other places to train in too. Have recently left an Aikido school where I had been training for a year ... only to find out that what he was teaching us was "his" version of what he thought Aikido should be like. :::sigh::: Well, it wasn't what I was looking for. I don't want to take another art that will make me a "mighty warrior". Have been there and done that the first 28 years of my training life. Was looking for more spiritual training this time with the physical thrown in also. Did learn some excellent ways to roll and do breakfalls, tho. But that is about all I did learn. Plus randori after randori. Always fighting. And more fighting. Not that fighting is not good and learning new ways to get out of it and do it ... but like I said ... was looking for something different this time. Am still searching. Not much up here in the desert for me to pick from as far as what I am looking for. But I will keep looking. I wish you happiness in the school you are in now ... and by the way, are you happier with the kicking now that you have learned? Illona ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:30:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #533 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! 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