From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #538 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 29 Oct 1999 Vol 06 : Num 538 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: UFC on "Friends" the_dojang: Sports injury vent/request the_dojang: Women's Self Defense Seminar the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #537 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #537 the_dojang: Re: Teaching and meanings of belts the_dojang: Re: Master - Grandmaster the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #537 Re: the_dojang: Re: Master - Grandmaster the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #535 the_dojang: barney patches #537 the_dojang: International TKD Council the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~775 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brett Erwin Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 08:50:04 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: UFC on "Friends" I know this isn't Korean M.A., but I found this funny. Yesterday, I caught a re-run episode of "Friends". Monica was a dating a guy who was obsessed with winning the UFC. In fact, they showed a match that featured Tank Abbott as his opponent, and the real UFC center referee. They even had the UFC's logo in the middle of the octogon. Of course, Monica's boyfriend lost the match in a matter of seconds. Funny stuff... Regards, Brett Erwin Allen, TX ------------------------------ From: "Stratton, Sam" Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 07:10:01 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Sports injury vent/request Hello, I've been lurking on the list since January. I enjoy this electronic community and find insight in this list. That being said I have a request that I know will be accepted from this group : prayers for my recovery after knee surgery next Wednesday. The injury started as a REALLY good week, I instruct (childrens class) and am settling in to my black belt (WTF 1st dan 5/99) I had a great week my stretch was out to > 130 degrees, my kicks were on! (you know how it feels! ) that was Wed. On Thursdays we spar, it was great! my body was a little sore at first but after warm ups and stretching I was on fire! endurance, speed, concentration, it was all there. On Friday after a busy week at work and at the Dojang I was SORE, I stretched but I seemed to get tight very quickly afterwards, I was somewhat tired and my mind was wandering. We were doing a fake step round kick, one of the simplist of combination kicks. I switched but then did not pivot on the ball of my feet, my knee did some of the pivoting, and because of the general sorness (splitswise) my knee also folded inward tearing both miniscus and the medial collateral ligament. I hope to return active kicking soon (I'm still instructing without kicking) and would ask for your thoughts and prayers. I have had to miss practices before for certain reasons ( moving, overtime, etc.) but I have never missed a workout WHILE being there! not being able to kick while others are is pretty torturous and trying to correct a students kick without the benefit of legs is difficult. If any one has any stories or tips on injuries/recouperation please pass them on. Thank you in advance for your thoughts and prayers. Thanx Sam Stratton http://www.freeyellow.com/members6/transamsam/ ------------------------------ From: TaoArt@aol.com Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 10:09:06 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Women's Self Defense Seminar For those interested: Women's Street Defense Intensive Hosted by Guard Up, Inc. at the Waltham Athletic Club. This seminar will be held on Sunday, November 7th from 1-4PM. The course covers awareness and avoidance tactics as well as physical techniques. The last hour will have a "Padded Attacker" instructor whom the women can defend themselves against with full force. Women with physical disabilities are encouraged to attend. Any participant under 18 years of age will need a signed parental release. To register, send or drop off a check for $48 payable to: Guard Up, Inc. c/o Waltham Athletic Club, 249 Lexington Street, Waltham, MA 02452. Or call (781) 271-1491 and leave a message. This is a great seminar for college women and mothers/daughters (not recommended for girls under 14yrs). Instructor Meghan Gardner teaches Assault Prevention Seminars for corporations and organizations across the country. Please either email or call if you plan on attending... we will have a cap. Directions: I-95/128 Southbound: Take a right onto exit 27A (Totten Pond Road). The offramp places you on Tottem Pond Road which you will follow to the end (1.3 miles). At the end take a right onto Lexington Street. Immediately bear left at the fork, staying on Lexington Street. Go through one set of lights. The Waltham Athletic Club is roughly 100 yards past the lights on the left hand side. If you come to Blockbuster Video, you have gone too far. I-95/128 Northbound : Take a left onto exit 27A (Totten Pond Road).The offramp places you on Tottem Pond Road which you will follow to the end (1.3 miles). At the end take a right onto Lexington Street. Immediately bear left at the fork, staying on Lexington Street. Go through one set of lights. The Waltham Athletic Club is roughly 100 yards past the lights on the left hand side. If you come to Blockbuster Video, you have gone too far. For more information visit: www.guardup.com ------------------------------ From: "Silke Schulz" Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 07:40:05 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #537 Brett Erwin wrote: "The International Taekwondo Council... didn't a group of ex-ATA high ranks split off to form this? If they didn't form it, I know they are heavily involved in it now. Do these names ring a bell? If so, what are there roles? Jack Pierce, Mike Ajay, Wade Vierra... These three left ATA about 5-6 years ago, I think. If memory serves, I think I saw Vierra as one of the cornermen for a UFC fighter who wore an ITC uniform." Yes, all of those names and more are heavily involved with the ITC. You can check out their level of involvement at http://www.itckarate.com although I don't know about Master Vierra being a cornerman for a UFC fighter..... Silke Schulz ______________________________________________ "The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." --Vince Lombardi ______________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: "Silke Schulz" Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 07:45:56 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #537 Alex Paredes wrote: "Tell us more about your organization (ITC) and where about are you in the California Desert? My family has a property our in the Joshua Tree area." I am located in the northern portion of the Mojave Desert in a city called California City. We are about 15 minutes from Edwards AFB where the Space Shuttle lands when the weather in Florida isn't so great. Please feel free to check out the ITC website at www.itckarate.com for an overview. If you have any specific questions after that, I'd be happy to answer them for you. Silke Schulz ______________________________________________ "The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." --Vince Lombardi ______________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: David Gordon Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 14:42:25 GMT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Teaching and meanings of belts > > << My name is Silke Schulz, and I'm a 2nd Dan in Taekwondo with the > > International Taekwondo Council. I just opened my own school in a small > town > > in the California Desert. I having a grand time at it, too. I am still > > amazed that since I opened my doors on September 11, I've managed to amass > > nearly 30 students! > > Hello Silke, >> > > Dear Fellow Martial Artist: > > I appreciate your desire to share what you have learned but please be very > careful as a 2nd Dan is not a highly mature level for a teacher. You may be > a fantastic technician and an awesome fighter too, but you are very young in > the art. > > In Korea you would not be permitted to open a dojang as a 2nd Dan; you would > be able to teach only under the license (yes, license) and supervision of > your master. > > Be very careful with the lives you will touch. Especially to children, you > will be - like it or not - a very impressive figure in their young lives. > Lead by proper example Mr. Schultz and lead with care in your heart. > > Good Luck > > Sincerely, > SESilz To comment on the above...I was tested about 2-2 1/2 years ago for my 1st Dan and am glad to say that I passed. And then suddenly my Instructor told me that he had accepted another job! I had been teaching, so-to-speak, under his wing before my test, but when he told me that news, his response was to the effect that the school was mine.... I could teach or close it! My choice was to teach and continue. *I* felt it would hurt the others not to do so. So I did! The first year was hard, but it got easier. I am now in the process of being tested for my 2nd Dan. I feel very good about myself, my abilities and my teachings. Being 41, and loving it! I should also say, that I have a 1st Gup who will be testing at the same time for his 1st Dan. He too has been assisting me teaching. I agree....your students are VERY impressiable by your actions. So teach wisely. As for Black Belts....a student who has reached the level of 1st Dan, has learned all the basics and is *now* ready to learn martial arts. The fun begins now...As for stripes, it can go either way. A stripe helps your young students know who the senior(s) are. But it is still *you*, yourself who truely knows what your own rank is. I for myself, by reading other comments, I do not consider myself a Master, but an Instructor. I may or may not reach the level of Master, but am planning to try....health holding out! My Senior Instructor is still subscribed to this list, so I say to you, "Thank You", for all your teachings and friendship! - -- David Gordon, 1st Dan - TKD ------------------------------ From: MRowe@ids.sitel.net Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 15:04:57 GMT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Master - Grandmaster According to the WTF web sight and its FAQ 1st - 5th Dan is Master 6th - 9th Dan is Grandmaster. Mike Rowe ------------------------------ From: "Silke Schulz" Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 08:31:45 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #537 SESilz wrote: "I appreciate your desire to share what you have learned but please be very careful as a 2nd Dan is not a highly mature level for a teacher. You may be a fantastic technician and an awesome fighter too, but you are very young in the art." Yes, you are quite correct, sir, that I am young in the art. Fortunately, I am, at 39, mature enough to understand that is a continuous learning process. And with all due respect, I also have to believe that the Master under whom I trained would not permit me to open a school unless he felt that I was qualified and ready to do so. I still train with him once a week, and he is supportive and advises me when necessary. It is also important to note that just because one has a higher rank, that it qualifies one to teach. Teaching is an art all its own. Dan ranking is based on one's ability to perform techniques, to spar and often to break wood (which relates back to one's ability to perform the individual techniques), not on one's ability to impart the knowledge required to get there. I know some awesome technicians and fighters of high Dan ranking who produce Black Belts that look, to me, like 5th gup belts. However, I also know some instructors who have difficulty performing some techniques, or are not great fighters or technicians, but manage to produce students who are awesome at both. Given the choice, I'd rather have the latter as my instructor. Thank you for the kind advice, sir, I will keep it in mind. Ms. (not Mr.) Silke Schulz ______________________________________________ "The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." --Vince Lombardi ______________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 08:56:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: the_dojang: Re: Master - Grandmaster > According to the WTF web sight and its FAQ 1st - 5th Dan is Master 6th - > 9th Dan is Grandmaster. You found that on the WTF's official website? http://www.worldsport.com/worldsport/sports/taekwondo/home.html I don't find a FAQ there, but I only spent a few mins searching around for it. Can you point me to it? Thx. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Chuck Sears" Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:04:07 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #535 > From: dequayle@olypen.com > Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 00:21:17 -0700 > Subject: the_dojang: Re: belt colors > > >From: "Mike Roberts" > > >It's cool to read so much from people that know a lot about martial arts. > >the stuff about the belts was interesting. I never knew what the colors > >meant. I just knew black was a master. > >thanks > >Mike > > Mike, > It's always great to share info....we can all benefit. > > Black, however, do not mean master automatically. It means you know the > basics and have the skills to start teaching those basics to others. In > our school, you are not a "master" until you are fourth dan. In the ATA, one is not considered for mastership until 6th Degree. I tell all of my beginning students that 1st Degree Black Belt is a wonderful goal to have and to focus on, but that it is similar to graduating from high school. That's also a great goal, but all it really means is that you have learned the basics (unless you went to government-run schools, but that's a whole 'nother topic). Now it's time to buckle down and learn the specifics - being a Black Belt is like being a college student. > To all: > How do your schools show the difference (if they show any) between the > dan belts? (Other than all those weird colors & stripes someone mentioned.) > We use color tape wrapped around the end of the belt for the 5 steps > from first dan to second dan. The tape matches the kup belt colors for rank, > e.g., green color strip on black belt = 1st dan, 6th kup. > Our parent dojang uses embroidered gold bars at the end of the belt for > dan ranks, but my TKD master (4th dan) only has his name embroidered in > Korean, no level. > > What does your school do? ATA allows the embroidered gold bars and the name on the belt. In our school, when I order a student's 1st Degree belt, I also have them embroider the Korean characters for PilSung (victory) on the belt as well. Some schools have started putting a "knowledge stripe" of silver (it's actually the silver auto tape) on the student's Black Belt for each midterm test that they have completed. I like the idea. ------------------------------ From: "Aaron Harmon" Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 09:18:34 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: barney patches #537 >" I do not care if they sew little Barney the purple dinosaur patches on to > signify rank. " > >LOL! that's the spirit, aaron! just pleeeeeeease dont tell me you all sing >the song and dance at the bb ceremony ;). good luck and have fun! > >melinda I can not resist! "I punch you You kick me Lets all do a Yap Chagi" Aaron Harmon The trouble with the rat race is that even if you win, you're still a rat. -- Lily Tomlin ------------------------------ From: "John Bennett" Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 08:14:01 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: International TKD Council Mr. Shultz: Would you please give us some insight into the reasons why those guys in the ITC left the ATA? Did it have to do with the actual techniques? Was it grading and rank promotion policy? Was it a dissatisfaction with the ATA's business structure or financial structure? Was it the instructional methods? Please be as specific as possibile. I'm very interested in your opinion. Sincerely, John Bennett ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 09:31:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #538 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com ===================================================================== To unsubscribe from this digest, the_dojang-digest, send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com in pub/the_dojang/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Martial Arts Resource, California Taekwondo Standard disclaimers apply.