From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #539 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 29 Oct 1999 Vol 06 : Num 539 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #538 the_dojang: Master - Grandmaster the_dojang: Re: V6 #538: Women's Self Defense Seminar the_dojang: RE: mature teaching the_dojang: UFC on Friends, my fav line... the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #537 the_dojang: Hello everyone! the_dojang: Re: sports injury vent/request the_dojang: re: Sports injury vent the_dojang: ITC questions the_dojang: Dan Ranking & BB fashion ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~775 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Silke Schulz" Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 10:08:02 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #538 John Bennett wrote: >Mr. Shultz: (I am a woman.) > >Would you please give us some insight into the reasons why those guys >in the ITC left the ATA? I'm not sure I can answer this question. I have never specifically asked Master Ajay, Master Vierra or any of the other masters why they left the ATA, and thus I can't speak for them, nor would I dare to venture a guess. What I do know is that the ITC is a young and small organization, and that we are trying to do our best to create the best TKD organization possible. Silke Schulz ------------------------------ From: MRowe@ids.sitel.net Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 17:02:56 GMT Subject: the_dojang: Master - Grandmaster Will forward location as soon as I get back home and am allowed to surf - thats where my bookmarks are. Mike Rowe ------------------------------ From: samiller@Bix.Com Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 13:12:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: V6 #538: Women's Self Defense Seminar This has been covered in this forum before, so apologies in advance to anyone bored as a result, but... I'm mystified that anyone would believe that a 3-hour women's (or anyone else's;>) self-defense course that claimed to move beyond concepts into actual techniques could be of any real value, save as a promotion for more extended instruction. === Tang Soo! Scott ------------------------------ From: "Atchinson, Kerry M" Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 12:16:55 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: mature teaching Master Silz submits: > From: TKDSCRIBE@aol.com > Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 03:54:01 EDT > Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #536 > > In a message dated 10/28/99 4:58:50 PM Mountain Daylight Time, > the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: > > << My name is Silke Schulz, and I'm a 2nd Dan in Taekwondo with the > > International Taekwondo Council. I just opened my own school in a small > > town > > in the California Desert. I having a grand time at it, too. I am still > > amazed that since I opened my doors on September 11, I've managed to > amass > > nearly 30 students! > > Hello Silke, >> > > Dear Fellow Martial Artist: > > I appreciate your desire to share what you have learned but please be very > > careful as a 2nd Dan is not a highly mature level for a teacher. You may > be > a fantastic technician and an awesome fighter too, but you are very young > in > the art. > > In Korea you would not be permitted to open a dojang as a 2nd Dan; you > would > be able to teach only under the license (yes, license) and supervision of > your master. > > Be very careful with the lives you will touch. Especially to children, > you > will be - like it or not - a very impressive figure in their young lives. > > Lead by proper example Mr. Schultz and lead with care in your heart. > > Good Luck > > Sincerely, > SESilz > > I understand what Master Silz is saying about maturity in TKD, but to be a mature and effective teacher does not depend solely on that. One's age, experience, education in other areas, and ability to relate to students, especially children, all play a part. I believe TKD teaches us many things about and for life, but life is what makes us teachers. Kerry ------------------------------ From: "John Bennett" Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 09:21:30 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: UFC on Friends, my fav line... HA! Yes Brett, that episode was hilarious! My favorite part was when Monica and Ross were sitting ringside when Tank walked out into the octagon... Ross: "Oh my God! THAT'S his opponent!?!" Monica: "It's ok, Steve's teacher, Master Sing Liu, has taught him how to use an opponent's size and power against him". Ross: "Then that guy is in BIG trouble!". I r'dotflmao at that one! John Bennett ------------------------------ From: samiller@Bix.Com Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 12:42:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #537 I kick you, you kick me... ;>)) >" I do not care if they sew little Barney the purple dinosaur patches on >to > signify rank. " > >LOL! that's the spirit, aaron! just pleeeeeeease dont tell me you all sing >the song and dance at the bb ceremony ;). good luck and have fun! === Tang Soo! Scott ------------------------------ From: P69H@aol.com Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 14:04:01 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Hello everyone! Just a quick introduction. I am Paul Hissa, Owner and Chief Instructor of A+ Karate, Clearwater, FL. I am a 2nd Dan, Ranked through the USMA. I have been training for over 10 years in Tae Kwon Do, Hapkido, Judo and Jujitsu. Please check out my web site at www.apluskarate.com. Also, if you are ever in Clearwater, please stop by for a class. Thank You! ------------------------------ From: d g Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 14:38:24 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: sports injury vent/request > From: "Stratton, Sam" Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 07:10:01 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Sports injury vent/request Hello, > I hope to return active kicking soon (I'm still instructing without kicking) and would ask for your > thoughts and prayers. I have had to miss practices before for certain reasons ( moving, overtime, etc.) > but I have never missed a workout WHILE being there! not being able to kick while others are is pretty > torturous and trying to correct a students kick without the benefit of legs is difficult. > If any one has any stories or tips on injuries/recouperation please pass them on. Thank you in > advance for your thoughts and prayers. > > Thanx > Sam Stratton > You've got it Sam!! Heal quickly. Use time to study on history and stuff and practice mentally in your mind your moves. Donna - -- NO!! My cycle doesn't leak!! I got a Shadow now. Harley-Davidson, eat your heart out!! ------------------------------ From: "Christopher Spiller" Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 14:36:23 PDT Subject: the_dojang: re: Sports injury vent Sam Stratton wrote: >The injury started as a REALLY good week, I instruct (childrens >class) and >am settling in to my black belt (WTF 1st dan 5/99) I had >a great week my >stretch was out to > 130 degrees, my kicks were on! >(you know how it >feels! ) that was Wed. Indeed. Sometimes this is the problem. I figure "I feel so great I might as well push myself even harder!" I love hard training but one needs to know one's limitations - especially if you're going to exceed them. >On Thursdays we spar, it >was great! my body was a little sore at >first >but after warm ups and stretching I was on fire! endurance, >speed, >concentration, it was all there. On Friday after a busy week >at work and >at the Dojang I was SORE, I stretched but I seemed to >get tight very >quickly afterwards, I was somewhat tired and my >mind was wandering. We >were doing a fake step round kick, one of >the simplist of combination >kicks. I switched but then did not pivot >on the ball of my feet, my knee >did some of the pivoting, and >because of the general sorness (splitswise) >my knee also folded >inward tearing both miniscus and the medial collateral >ligament. Two brief stories for you: I was prepping for my 1st dan test. There hadn't been a dan testing at my school for a while and I was the only one scheduled to be tested. Plus, I had seen the last couple of black belt tests and was IMPRESSED. I figured it was either go hard or go home. One night a few weeks before the test we were practicing twin footed flying kicks (both feet kicking front kicks or both feet kicking side kicks). Well, I wanted to get a better view of myself while doing the twin side kicks because the body position is similar to that in a normal flying sidekick, the differences being both feet are kicking in the same direction and the body is in a much more "laying down" position so the feet hit the target at the same time. I figured "I'll just turn my upper body so I can see in the mirrors." Well, it worked. I saw myself a lot better but managed to tear (or at least severely pull) my lower back muscles. In order to keep training I just did stretching whenever a break in class allowed me to. I finished class just fine but with obvious soreness to the back. Later that night I realized the seriousness of the situation when I had to roll out of the passenger side of my friend's car because I couldn't get out any other way :( . Needless to say I spent the next several days on the couch with a heating pad and an ice pack. Luckily I was right as rain for the test. During my 2nd dan test I was sparring my friend who was also testing with me. I am 5'5". He is 6'3". I executed a turning kick (roundhouse) while he was preparing for his own kick. The sound my instep made when connecting to his knee was quite loud. If I didn't have a shin/instep guard on at the time I cringe to think of what would have happened. As it was I immediately began thinking "They're going to realize something's wrong and stop the test any minute." Well, not exactly. My instructor did ask if I was okay when he stopped the sparring. To my surprise I answered "No sir. I'm fine." When the 1st dan candidates were sparring I had a fellow student wrap my foot in an ace bandage and got an ice pack. I finished my test - including the breaking portion. I was quite happy with myself. The doctor I went and saw the next day was NOT so impressed. The irony is he was Korean and when I explained to him what happened, thinking "He'll get a kick out of this" he looked at me like I had just stepped off Neptune - no comprehension as to what I was talking about. Of course, neither of these two injuries had me sitting out of classes (I'm not THAT smart ;) ). >I hope to return active kicking soon (I'm still instructing without > >kicking) and would ask for your thoughts and prayers. I have had to >miss >practices before for certain reasons ( moving, overtime, etc.) >but I have >never missed a workout WHILE being there! not being able >to kick while >others are is pretty torturous and trying to correct a >students kick >without the benefit of legs is difficult. Sitting in class while others are working out can be THE WORST. I remember once when I was taking a break from training when I was a 3rd gup(I wasn't injured just busy with other things and feeling a little burnt out). Well, by the third or fourth class that I missed I was back at the school watching my classmates train. One the one hand I wish I could have been out on the floor with them but on the other hand it gave me the opportunity to watch others perform techniques more closely than I normally did (especially my instructor). This was a great learning experience - technique wise but also for building patience. I hope you can get back to training soon, but do take enough time to heal properly. It's great to get back to training, but not if you're just going to get reinjured. Taekwon, Chris ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Christopher Spiller" Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 14:43:36 PDT Subject: the_dojang: ITC questions I know the ITC is a WTF affiliated organization but from what I've read in "Taekwon-Do Times" they practice the Chang Hun tuls. I thought you had to do Taegueks to get a Kukkiwon certificate. I know they also do WTF Black Belt poomse but what about the Taegeuks? (Interestingly, the majority of Korean Masters and Grandmasters I've met practice and teach the Chang Huns, but they've all been WTF affiliates.) Also, since it's an organization that is made up of ex-ATA'ers why no Songahm hyung? From what I can tell the split with the ATA happened AFTER Grandmaster Lee came up with his own hyungs. Any insights would be appreciated. Taekwon, Chris ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Christopher Spiller" Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 15:17:29 PDT Subject: the_dojang: Dan Ranking & BB fashion >In Tae Kwon Do...4th Dan is called a Junior Master. 5th, 6th, and >7th >Dans are called Masters. 8th and 9th Dans are called Grand >Masters. According to the Master I studied WTF Taekwondo under, the WTF ranking went: 1-4th dan - Black belt 5-7th dan - Master 8-9th dan - Grand Master The interesting thing is (or was) that there are three levels which contain 4, 3, and 2 dans respectively. Compare this to the ITF Taekwon-Do ranking: 1-3rd dan - Beginner/Novice 4-6th dan - Expert 7-9th dan - Master (With 9th being Grand Master) Here you have three levels each containing three dans (if you include Grand Master as a subset of Master, which Gen. Choi's books seem to do). >Many schools and arts have gone to striping the Black Belts to >designate >appropriate Dan Rank. Personally, and I know this is >going to generate >some response, I believe that the stripes were >added specifically for the >newer generations of Black Belts for >recognition and distinction. There >is nothing wrong with this, in >the least. Each to his/her own. I have >seen the hash marks on >sleeves used also. I think you're probably right on here. The stripes were probably developed for recognition purposes. This doesn't necessarily mean they're bad, however. My instructor's school allows the BB's to do several things. We all receive a plain, non-embroidered blackbelt and an emvbroidered one with our names in Korean and English and a rank signifier. This consists in either the gold embroidered slashes across the ends of the belts or a Roman numeral a la the ITF's guidelines. The belt itself is always black, no matter what dan level you are. No red lines down the middle, no half black, half red, no alternating panels of black and red or red and white. Just black. Actually, one of the coolest things I've seen was my instructor wearing his original black belt during a private lesson I had with him. No embroidered name, no rank insignia, just a threadbear belt. Frankly, that's rank insignia enough. As far as the hash marks on the sleeve goes, well I've seen better ideas. Gran Master Edward Sell's USCDKA does a similar thing, I believe, with rings around the ends of their sleeves. The WTF (I've been told) has several "official" uniforms, depending on the Master's rank. For example, the piping on the bottom of the dobok (like ITF 1-3rd dans) is OK as long as you are 4th dan and up. But I've also been told it's JUST the V-neck pullover with black collar for BB's only. I still think the ITF doboks are the coolest looking (not that it matters) but when they sstarted putting eppeulets on the shoulders, having the broken line on the leg for 4th dans and up, and having the sleeve piping end at the shoulder instead of the collar I was less than impressed. I know, I know, martial artists shouldn't be concerned about such trifles. But there is such a thing as a simple ellegance and dignity in dress. Korean MA's aren't the only ones with fashion problems though. You should see what some of my Praying Mantis friends wear during tournaments and demos. There's no end to the silky pajamas. Yuck. But when it comes to daily training it's simple: school t-shirt, black pants, and kung-fu shoes. But even this traditional school has the assistant instructors wearing a t-shirt with a different colored logo than the other students. Rank indicators. You just can't escape them. >I once asked my first Master Instructor how to tell a Black Belt's >rank, >as at the time the stirpes were not adopted by most schools. >He simply >said ask them. After asking numerous Black Belts their >rank...I asked >many of them why the rank wasn't represented on the >belt. I got the same >answer from most of them. I was told, in >paraphrase, "It's not important >that everyone knows your rank. It >is only important that you know it. If >they wish to know, they can >ask." That man was a martial artist. Taekwon, Chris ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #539 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com ===================================================================== To unsubscribe from this digest, the_dojang-digest, send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com in pub/the_dojang/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Martial Arts Resource, California Taekwondo Standard disclaimers apply.