From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #546 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 1 Nov 1999 Vol 06 : Num 546 In this issue: the_dojang: Thank You the_dojang: Martial Science and Arts the_dojang: Re:lack of tenets the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #545 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #545 the_dojang: WTF and sport the_dojang: Re: Mature Teaching the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~775 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Farral, Kim G" Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 09:48:43 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Thank You Sally... Thank you for your response and clarification...I don't disagree with you... I think we are talking the same...my whole point about the Tenets was the same point you made...I just wasn't clear on the way I presented it...I have nothing against he WTF or USTU...rest assured... To give you a littel history of myself...My First Master Instructor (now Grand Master) was ITF...I received my Black Belt and subsequent ranks from another Master Instructer (Now Grand Master) who was ATF (American Tae Kwon Do Federation)..the ATF was Formed by him to avoid the political turmoil between the ITF and the WTF...so we learned the Choi Hyungs and the Palgwes...For the ast 3 years I have been training and teaching under a Grand Master who is WTF and USTU President for the State....(I am also a certified USTU referee..though I have only attended 3 state tournaments and some local tournaments sanctioned by the USTU)... I have 3 Korean Instructors because I have had to change states for my profession (Aerospace Engineering)...I am very loyal to my GM from whom I receive my BB ranks and to the Present GM whom has adopted me into his TKD family and allowed me to continue training and teaching...I am veyr open minded wiht regards to TKD and the history as well as philosophy...I have also cross trained byin other styles by attending camps and seminars to get a more rounded education in the martial arts...I am Tae Kwon Do and ae Kwon Do is what I teach and train... I respect the opinions of others as long as they are not way off base...and I appreciate corrections to anything I comment about in error... Thanks again Pil Seung! Tink ------------------------------ From: JEREMYT@ATFI.COM (JeremyT) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 10:16:54 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Martial Science and Arts Ray has been very gracious to allow me to promote a list that I started a couple weeks back. The name of the list is the Martial Science and Arts. It is an open forum for all ranks and styles to discuss ideas, philosophies, techniques and to ask questions on various styles. The goal of the list is to try to unify the arts through better understanding. If you are interested in joining please send a blank email to MartialScience-subscribe@topica.com. If you interested in receiving a digest version send the blank email to MartialScience-subscribe-digest@topica.com. I would like to thank Ray for this opprotunity and let everyone know that this is the type of cooperataion and courtesy that is needed in the martial arts in order to keep it thriving a positive direction. Jeremy MACS ------------------------------ From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 11:56:48 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re:lack of tenets In a message dated 10/31/99 8:02:32 PM Central Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << I have attended many USTU events and not all competitors adhere to the Tenets...it is rather disgraceful to see unsportsman-like conduct as well as lack of respect for other Martial Artists...they may have the skills and the stamina but lack in courtesy, integrity, and self control. Unfortunately, it happens leaving some competitors ill-served. >> i have to agree with you on that. seems that there is a lot of behaviour which defies the tenets taught in tkd. there's also a lot of negative match management, of which i am not a fan. it's just not an honourable fight. melinda ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 13:42:03 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #545 In a message dated 11/1/99 6:42:11 AM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << He is a martial artist in the truest sense of the word--very respectful, and excellent student, and a joy to have around. >> You are indeed a lucky person ... I am searching for such a person for my school, also. Illona ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 13:48:59 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #545 In a message dated 11/1/99 6:42:11 AM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << We do so much cross-training that you would run out of space on the belt. Do you put the hash marks for tkd on one side and hkd on the other? What if you study a third art? We tend to just put the name on one side, and then "innae" (perseverance) on the other. >> We cross train here too ... but it is just the way our style is ... full of cross training. But I do see what you mean ... if you keep each style separate from each other ... and yes, that would become confusing. I know of one fellow who's instructor gave him a black belt with a blue stripe running along the whole belt and all the writing and the dan stripes in blue too. The blue signified that he was a blue belt in BJJ and the black was for the karate in the school he was studying. Different ... very different. How many of you have seen lime green writing on belts? That's what my instructor put on ours ! Ugh. He saw it somewhere and really liked it ... and bam ! now we have it on our belts. Personally, I still am wearing the very first belt he gave me on a daily basis ... and only wear the last belt he gave me when we have testings and award ceremonies or anything special going on. I hate breaking in new belts. When my students go up in Dan grades ... I will just get their old belts back and then have another stripe put on it (if they choose to have a stripe) ... then give that one back to them. Illona ------------------------------ From: burdickd Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 14:37:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: the_dojang: WTF and sport Tink mentioned that she believed that the WTF had to be convinced to participate in sport rather than art forms of tkd. Actually, it's completely the opposite. In the 1977 edition of _Taekwondo_ from the WTF, p. 18, it reads: "The First World Taekwondo Championships was held in Seoul in May 1973 leading to the formation of the World Tae-kwondo Federation which will tackle with the task of making Taekwondo a modern world sport." On p. 3 of the same work, Un Yong Kim, President of the World Taekwondo Federation, states that "the primary responsibilities of developing Taekwondo as a world sport has been assumed by the World Taekwondo Federation." The U.S.T.U. factbook "Capture the Dream" also shows that the W.T.F. has promoted tkd's "evolution and development as an international amateur sport." The U.S.T.U. dates this to Nov. 30, 1972 (completion of the Kukkiwon) and May 25, 1973 (the first World TKD Championships). The transformation of TKD from a traditional martial art into a modern combat sport has been the primary goal of the WTF since 1973. Yours in the arts, Dakin Burdick burdickd@indiana.edu ------------------------------ From: XBlakfierX@aol.com Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 15:39:19 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: Mature Teaching In a message dated 10/29/99 10:23:38 PM !!!First Boot!!!, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << From: "Atchinson, Kerry M" Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 12:16:55 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: mature teaching Master Silz submits: > From: TKDSCRIBE@aol.com > Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 03:54:01 EDT > Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #536 > > In a message dated 10/28/99 4:58:50 PM Mountain Daylight Time, > the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: > > << My name is Silke Schulz, and I'm a 2nd Dan in Taekwondo with the > > International Taekwondo Council. I just opened my own school in a small > > town > > in the California Desert. I having a grand time at it, too. I am still > > amazed that since I opened my doors on September 11, I've managed to > amass > > nearly 30 students! > > Hello Silke, >> > > Dear Fellow Martial Artist: > > I appreciate your desire to share what you have learned but please be very > > careful as a 2nd Dan is not a highly mature level for a teacher. You may > be > a fantastic technician and an awesome fighter too, but you are very young > in > the art. > > In Korea you would not be permitted to open a dojang as a 2nd Dan; you > would > be able to teach only under the license (yes, license) and supervision of > your master. > > Be very careful with the lives you will touch. Especially to children, > you > will be - like it or not - a very impressive figure in their young lives. > > Lead by proper example Mr. Schultz and lead with care in your heart. > > Good Luck > > Sincerely, > SESilz > > I understand what Master Silz is saying about maturity in TKD, but to be a mature and effective teacher does not depend solely on that. One's age, experience, education in other areas, and ability to relate to students, especially children, all play a part. I believe TKD teaches us many things about and for life, but life is what makes us teachers. Kerry >> I agree with Kerry. I too understand and respect what Master Silz is saying about maturity in TKD. But, I do not think that only high ranking black belts make good teachers. What makes a good teacher? Is it the belt rank you are wearing, is it the position you are holding in an organization, is it the countless number of years you have behind you in a profession? No. I think a good teacher starts within a persons heart. A person with good strong moral values, humility towards their fellow humans, a strong desire to teach right from wrong, and the ability to know right from wrong, patience and kindness, and the integrity to teach the right things. I'm expressing my opinion because I have seen excellent Instructors from several levels of black belt ranks. But I have also seen some very poor excuses of (so called) instructors from high ranking black belts as well as a few low ranking black belts. I mean no disrespect to any martial artist who reads this, cause I respect all martial artists from all styles and all ranks. Yes, even the ones that probably don't really deserve it. That's the way my instructor taught me to be. Who by the way is also a 2nd Dan in TKD. Good Luck Silke in your new school. I wish you a long and rewarding journey. Lonnie ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 14:55:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #546 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com ===================================================================== To unsubscribe from this digest, the_dojang-digest, send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com in pub/the_dojang/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Martial Arts Resource, California Taekwondo Standard disclaimers apply.