From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #560 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Tues, 9 Nov 1999 Vol 06 : Num 560 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #559 the_dojang: RE: Bouncing WHAT??? Re: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #559 the_dojang: Re: V6 #556: Strength Training the_dojang: Re: V6 #556: regulation the_dojang: Re: Teaching/Thomas the_dojang: Taekwon-Do Conduct the_dojang: Kwans the_dojang: Hapkido Hoshinsul video now available the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #559 the_dojang: Benefit seminar in CO the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~780 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chuck Sears" Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 09:06:00 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #559 > > From: "Vaught, Clifford (CLF N6Y2K8)" > Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 08:23:32 -0500 > Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #558 > > I have a new topic/question for the Digest. I'm 41 and have been diagnosed > with severe arthritis in both hips (although pain only manifested in the > left side). The orthopedic surgeons I've seen both have me tapped for total > hip replacements in the future. I wanted to find out if there are any > readers of the Digest out there who have artificial hips now and what the > impact has been on their training and pursuing their martial arts career. > Sorry, I haven't got artificial hips (yet). I was diagnosed with arthritis (rheumatoid) about 3 months after I started Taekwondo training, so the two have been simultaneous with me. My TKD training really helped me get through the rough times with my arthritis, and it has benn tremendous physical therapy for me. The disease has limited my flexibility (no more head kicks, if there ever were any to start with ), but it has really fired up my perserverance. I refuse to give in to it. My rheumatologist and I are exploring aggressive drug therapy and I have recovered a lot of my lost flexibility. Before you let the cutters get hold of you, you might see if you have any alternatives to the hip replacement. If you don't, then don't delay. I wish you well. Keep us posted on your progress! ------------------------------ From: "Atchinson, Kerry M" Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 09:20:00 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Bouncing WHAT??? > From: "Emil J. Fisk" > Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 12:37:55 +0800 > Subject: the_dojang: foot position while kicking > > And finally, a little anecdote. During one class a friend of mine was > teaching, he wanted students to start bouncing, but without their feet > leaving the floor. He shouted out the command: "Bounce on your balls!" I > burst into laughter and had to leave the room. Luckily, none of the > children realized what had just passed. > > Sincerely, > > Emil Fisk > ROFLOL!! And another legend grows... Kerry ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 07:55:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #559 > I have a new topic/question for the Digest. I'm 41 and have been diagnosed > with severe arthritis in both hips (although pain only manifested in the > left side). The orthopedic surgeons I've seen both have me tapped for total > hip replacements in the future. I wanted to find out if there are any > readers of the Digest out there who have artificial hips now and what the > impact has been on their training and pursuing their martial arts career. I have a friend, a training partner, that has had his hips replaced. I'll always want him on my team... :) He can kick to chest level to the front, but only to about thigh level using a side or roundhouse type kick. He'll never be good at high kicks, but he can defend himself very very well. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: samiller@Bix.Com Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 10:41:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: V6 #556: Strength Training Thanks, Alain, for a very informative post. This is very similar to what I've gleaned from Tom Kurtz' work. It still leaves an interesting question open, however - what is the ideal training regimen for an individual who wants to achieve a high level of readiness, and maintain it indefinitely, as contrasted with training to a peak for competition? I don't know if that research has been done, and I don't know how sound it is to extrapolate from research such as Kurtz' and Bompa's. Alain Burrese wrote: >Strength Training... Period five: Maintenance. This is the period where you maintain what you have worked for during the competitive season. Often this will be like the conversion period, but letting up a bit. Weight will be about the same, and maybe even a bit higher, but reps and sets will be less. You are not trying to improve at this point, rather just keep what you have. Period six: Transition. This is a period after your competitive season to rest and recuperate from the stresses of competition and high level training activities.... === Tang Soo! Scott ------------------------------ From: samiller@Bix.Com Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 10:41:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: V6 #556: regulation It seems to me that it's a bit early to concede the inevitability of this kind of intrusive, uneeded, and ultimately destructive legislation. IMO resources spent positioning one's organization for this eventuality are resources that currently could be better spent defeating this, if one is truly against it. Master SESilz wrote: >My thoughts on this topic are similar to yours. However I seek involvement > >here more based on the fact that ultimately these laws may very well come >to >pass -- and when they do I want the USTU to be at the forefront of what is >going on, not playing catch-up, which would put us in a poor position >compared to another entity such as John Graden's [NAMPA] big license >administrating enterprise. I think we must be cautious of this falling >into === Tang Soo! Scott ------------------------------ From: "Lasich, Mark D." Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 11:17:14 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Teaching/Thomas I agree with Thomas' overview, and would like to add to this section: >Well, I'm not sure which definition of "learning" that she is using, but >from what I know, there are three basic (and obvious) ways people intake >information: > Auditory > Visual > Kinesthetic It is important when interacting with people (teaching) that you get a feeling for which of these three categories they fall into. Then, when you are explaining things to them you can tailor your choice of words/type of instruction to match how they learn. For example: Auditory - repeat the NAME of the technique/parts of the technique as you/they perform it Visual - demonstrate the technique, POINTING out the important things about the correct technique Kinesthetic - have them perform it wrong/right and ask if they FEEL the difference In each of these you are reinforcing how they learn - by vocally repeating information, by visually showing them, by having them feel for themselves, etc. You need to find clues in how they ask/respond to questions to pick up on their orientation! This leads me into reposting a message I posted on another MA List, and would like some feedback here as well, thanks: *** I am curious if the other instructors out there go through any formal "instructor development program" or something like that? In particular, I understand that one must know all the forms, one-steps, three-steps, sparring segments, etc. to be able to teach someone else those same techniques, but what I don't know is if there are any formalized approaches as to "how" to teach. Don't get me wrong, everyone has their own teaching styles, personalities, drills, etc. - what I am looking for are the human interaction, behavioral type of things. For example, when a student does a technique wrong, do you find the things they are doing right, then adjust the wrong things one at a time, or do you just say "You got it all wrong! NOW do it this way?" In the ATA we are trained in 10 class management skills that help us effectively teach. Things like creating a positive environment, setting the mood/tone of the class, use the person's name, set direct goals for each class, etc.......Are the any other teaching techniques or concepts that others use to have an effective class? Thanks. In the spirit of TKD......... Mark.Lasich@alcoa.com ------------------------------ From: "Christopher Spiller" Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 08:21:19 PST Subject: the_dojang: Taekwon-Do Conduct >People are people regardless of their brand of martial art. I defy >you to >show me a competitive environment where every person present >embodies high >cultural ideals and impeccable conduct is displayed >across the board. >SESilz With all due respect to Master Silz as soon as I read this post I thought "Sumo." This is an incredibly competetive sport. True, Sumo might not be a martial "art" but it is a martial sport, much like Taekwon-Do is viewed in Korea. I have seen several sumo matches on television and without exception all of the competitors behavied according to the ettiquete that was called for at the time - no matter what the heat of competition was like. I once heard an interview with a Sumo wrestler. When the western reporter asked him why there was no display of emotion when he won the sumo replied (paraphrase) "I respect the other wrestler too much." It would be bad manners to rejoice over the defeat of another who deserves respect for having competed. Likewise, I have never seen the loser throw a tantrum. A friend who lived in Japan for five years was a big follower of Sumo. He said that he's never seen anything resembling the antics of football players after a touchdown in a Sumo match. Maybe the conduct of the Taekwon-Doin would improve if the refs. started disqualifying people for bad conduct. Taekwon, Chris ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Christopher Spiller" Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 08:37:02 PST Subject: the_dojang: Kwans Sally wrote: >>If the history of Taekwondo we've heard is to be believed, the >>heads of >>the several Kwans in Korea came together and created a >>kind of >>"universal" Korean martial art known as Taekwondo. At that >>time, the >>various Kwans were supposedly absorbed into Taekwondo. >>How does it happen that now we still have Taekwondo (Jidokwan >>system) >>and Taekwondo (Chungdokwan sytem)? Wouldn't we have >>Taekwondo, >>Jidokwan, and Chungdokwan, three different Korean >>martial arts? Or at >>least Taekwondo and "Korean Karate" (Jidokwan >>system; Chungdokwan >>system; etc.)? It would seem so to me. Either you are Taekwon-Do or you are not. Taekwon-Do seemed to me to be formed as a seperate martial art by uniting several already existing ones. I'm not sure if this has ever been attempted, let alone accomplished before. Usually a new art is formed by breaking off of an already existing one. I guess the questions are: 1)is there an objective reality caled "Taekwon-Do" in existence? 2) If there IS an objective reality called "Taekwon-Do" is it a genus or a species, i.e., is it a broad category (like "karate") or a specific category (like "shotokan")? If it is a species maybe we should use the term "Moodo" (martial way) to describe Korean MA's in general and Taekwon-Do to the specific Korean MA that was founded in 1955. Of course, this means we are back in the problem of trying to nail down an actual founder ;) . >It worked, to some degree. 15-25 years ago it was rather difficult >to get >a Korean TKD master to talk about the kwans. They'd claim >that the kwans >didn't exist anymore, they were dead. If you'd ask a >question about the >kwans, they'd reply with a 'it isn't important' >answer. But more recently >many of those same masters seem to be >willing to admit their kwan >affiliation. And many are even telling >their students something along the >line of "I was Chung Do Kwan, I >made you a 1st Dan, therefore you are >Chung Do Kwan". Indeed. When I was at Purdue getting the Master to tell us what Kwan he had been in was like pulling teeth. I guess it was the idea that "We're all Taekwon-Do (now)." Taekwon-Do sure didn't seem to be an umberella term for a buch of different styles. Taekwon-Do was Taekwon-Do. Now it seems that people have gotten interested in the history of the Martial Art they practice (a good thing) and the Korean Masters are opening up more to them (also a good thing). But the question remains: Is it Taekwon-Do the martial art or is it Taekwon-Do the term for the various martial arts (kwans) which are now united in the WTF (however that is going to work since they'd have to be NGB's to belong to the WTF in the first place. Aargh.). Does anyone know of what the actual naming committee in 1955 had in mind? Any actual records from this meeting would be fascinating reading. >Does that make it better or worse? :) Hmmm. Taekwon, Chris ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 12:09:38 EST Subject: the_dojang: Hapkido Hoshinsul video now available I finally recieved my first order of videos. I now have them available for sale. Price set by Paladin Press is 39.95. I sell them for the same plus $3.00 for fist class postage. Total 42.95. I cannot accept credit cards, so for those orders please order from Paladin. I will take checks and money orders or cash. You can send to me at: Alain Burrese 107 Helena Court Missoula, MT 59801 I will send video out immediately upon reciept of order. Some have asked that I sign the cover of the video, if you would like this, please indicate with your payment. I look forward to hearing what people think. Yours in Training, Alain Burrese ------------------------------ From: SunBiNim@aol.com Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 12:15:04 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #559 In a message dated 11/9/99 8:37:42 AM Central Standard Time, Thomas writes: > Just some thoughts. Thank you for the excellent post. I stole it and forwarded it to a mailing list for instructors in my organization. Please take that as flattery. Of course, my instructor has mentioned that "pain is the best teacher", and I must admit I do remember things better when he uses that method.... ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 12:29:25 EST Subject: the_dojang: Benefit seminar in CO Extend Your Hand in Peace and Healing Benefit Martial Arts Seminar for Hale Hilsabeck Respected long-time Colorado martial arts instructor Hale Hilsabeck, owner of Rocky Mountain Karate and member of the Colorado Karate Association, was recently severely injured in a traffic accident. And now, the medical bills are rising. A daylong benefit seminar is planned in Parker. Three of the top instructors in the nation will be donating their time and expertise to this benefit to ensure that each participant's charitable contribution is well rewarded. These instructors - each from radically different styles - are asking students and instructors of all styles and callings to come to the aid of this fine man: Guru Bob Orlando, author of two books, video producer and owner-operator of Je du-too School of Martial Arts will be instructing in his specialty, the devastating art of Chinese kuntao. This style mixes the best of Chinese and Indonesian fighting styles into a lethal combination. Orlando's teaching mastery will make the class a must for any martial artist who wishes to expand his or her horizons. Shihan Bob Davis, owner and head instructor of Omega Karate, will highlight the deadly art of Yudo/Jujitsu. This Korean combat judo takes grappling to a new level in applications that range from disabling to deadly. Grapplers, as well as those martial artists seeking new knowledge or some cross-training, will benefit from this session. Marc "Animal" MacYoung, ex-street fighter, bouncer, bounty hunter and bodyguard, MacYoung is also the author of 11 books, producer of nine self-defense videos and an internationally acclaimed expert on knife work. He will be teaching street knife self-defense. MacYoung's teaching, as always, will be marked by his wacky brand of humor that helps offset the deadly seriousness of the topic. The day lets participants work with three of the top instructors in the nation and also gives them the opportunity to help a fellow martial artist in need. The seminar is set for Omega Karate, Parker, on Saturday, Dec. 4, from 10 a.m. to 6 p.m. Admission will be $40. All proceeds go to the Hale Hilsabeck Fund. The karate school, 17864 Cottonwood Drive, can be found off Parker Road (Highway 83), just north of C-470 in Cottonwood Plaza, Parker, Colorado. For more information, call (303) 590-6075 between 6:30 a.m. and 3:30 p.m., Monday through Friday, or visit http://www.orlandokuntao.com/links_and_events.html or http://members.xoom.com/DYoung654/calendar.html or http://www.diac.com/~dgordon/schedule.html or http://members.xoom.com/omegatkd on the Web. Contributions also can be made to the Hale Hilsabeck Fund, Castle Rock Bank, 501 Wilcox St., Castle Rock, CO 80104. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:44:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #560 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! 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