From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #572 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 17 Nov 1999 Vol 06 : Num 572 In this issue: the_dojang: The origin of the Chon Ji patterns the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #571 the_dojang: Re: Patterns the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #571 the_dojang: Joining MACS the_dojang: dojang in Fort Collins Re: the_dojang: dojang in Fort Collins the_dojang: Hapkido seminar in Louisiana 12/11/99 the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~710 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hayes, Tommy" Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:51:58 -0000 Subject: the_dojang: The origin of the Chon Ji patterns Hello there, Does anyone know or have good pointers to material on what thought process was involved in the creation of the Chon Ji patterns? All I know is that Gen. Choi invented them, but I'd be interested in such things as how long it took, do they derive from any older patterns/katas, and things like that... Anyone know? Thanks, Tommy. ------------------------------ From: "Vaught, Clifford (CLF N6Y2K8)" Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:58:06 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #571 Andrew, I copied this list from the U.S. Soo Bahk Do Moo Duk Kwan website listing of hyungs: Kicho Hyung - series of three hyungs,Kicho means "Basic" Pyong Ahn - series of five hyungs Pyong = peaceful, Ahn = confident Chil Sung - series of seven hyungs, Chil Sung means 7 stars (big dipper constelation) Yuk Ro - series of six hyungs, Yuk = 6, Ro = Path Passai - series of two, Dae (Big) and So (little). Passia is the Cobra Snake form Nahanchi - series of three, Nahanchi is symbolized by a horse prancing sideways Chinto - crane form Lo Hi - Herion form, series of three Ship Su - Bear form Kong Sang Koon - series of two, Eagle form Sei San - Preying Mantis Form Wang Shu - Sparrow form O Ship Sa Bo - Tiger form Jion - Ram Form Hwa Sun - Hwa = Flower, Sun = Hermit So Rim Jang Kwon = Shaolin Long fist Tae Kuk Kwan = Grand Ultimate fist Of these, I've learned the Kicho and Pyong Ahn series, 4 of the Chil Sung, Yuk Ro Cho Dan (Du Mun), 2 of the Nahanchi, Chinto, and I'm learning Lo Hi. That would be appropriate for an E Dan. I've heard of Passai So, however, I've only seen the pattern in C.S. Kim's book, Authentic Tang Soo Do. Though it's on this list, the SBDMDK Federation isn't currently teaching it. The list is caviated as such as well. Cliff Vaught - ------------------------------ From: Andrew Pratt Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:10:15 +0900 Subject: the_dojang: Patterns Dear all, I originally posted this a couple of weeks ago but it seemed to get swamped by the belt-meaning thread. I hope this time there will be a more enthusiastic response. I have two questions relating to patterns. 1. I am interested in Hapkido knife patterns. I have only seen a few of these. I saw a simple one recently and thought it might be fun to learn it. The sequence is a knife (dobong?) defence against sword (shinai/chukto). The sequence goes something like:: 1.attacker attacks with a straight cut. defender blocks with the knife above the head) like a high block. 2. Attacker than attacks to the defender's face. Defender blocks 3. Attacker now attacks the defender's hip on the right hand side. The defender blocks to the right with the pint facing downwards 4. Attacker now strikes at the defenders leading foot. The defender now jumps over the strike. My second question is about the patterns used in Taekwon-do and its derivatives. I would like to compile a list of patterns that each art teaches. I would be grateful if any list members could fill in the many blanks: 1. WTF TKD Changhun a. Palgwe - not always taught anymore. I can only remember learning one or two. I may have been taught them when I had a short spell at Tangsoodo b. Taeguk - Developed in 1972 c. - Dan patterns. Do not seem to have a name as a group. 2. ITF WTF a. Chonji - first set of patterns developed by General Choi based on his experience of Shotokan Karate (I am not trying to start a flame war here) 3. Tangsoodo/Subakdo a. Pyung-ahn hyung b. Chilsung - high level patterns based on interpreting the 'kwonbop' pattern described in the Muye Tobo T'ongji c.Yuk-ro - six paths? 4. Songham TKD a. Pyong Ahn b. WTF TKD patterns 5. Choi Kwan-do Any other schools or styles? Moving away from TKD: 7. Hapkido No standardized set of patterns. Some schools teach patterns of varying length, others have no patterns. 8. Kuk Sul Won 9. Hwarangdo Any replies gratefully received. If this list can be 'completed' then I will re-post it to the list. Thanks in advance, Andrew Pratt ------------------------------ From: dbuehrer@carl.org Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:12:02 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Patterns \ From: Andrew Pratt \ \ 1. I am interested in Hapkido knife patterns. I have only seen a few of \ these. I saw a simple one recently and thought it might be fun to learn \ it. The sequence is a knife (dobong?) defence against sword \ (shinai/chukto). The sequence goes something like:: \ \ 1.attacker attacks with a straight cut. defender blocks with the knife \ above the head) like a high block. \ 2. Attacker than attacks to the defender's face. Defender blocks \ 3. Attacker now attacks the defender's hip on the right hand side. The \ defender blocks to the right with the pint facing downwards \ 4. Attacker now strikes at the defenders leading foot. The defender now \ jumps over the strike. At the Hapkido dojang I attend we don't really have any patterns with regard to self defense techniques. The general pattern is escape/dodge/block/catch the attack, counter-attack as needed. But we aren't taught "patterns". I don't know if that's how it is at other Hapkido Dojangs though. - -David Buehrer 6th Gup, Hapkido http://home.att.net/~Graht/Hapkido/Hapkido.htm - -- "Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday ... and all is well." ------------------------------ From: "Chuck Sears" Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:58:25 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #571 > > From: Ian Miller > Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:57:54 -0500 > Subject: the_dojang: First time black belt > > I'm about to go into my first competition as a black belt this weekend. I'm > sure it's going to be an awakening compared to the level of competition I've > been used to over the last few years as a coloured belt. I was wondering if > anyone had any good stories relating to their first fight as a black belt, and > as well, if anyone had any advice for the first time black belt fighter? > My instructor's advice is still the best: "Don't block with your face!" ------------------------------ From: JEREMYT@ATFI.COM (JeremyT) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:42:14 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Joining MACS "sounds great, jeremy. so could you say a little more about how one joins MACS?" You can simply visit our web site to sign up at www.compnetco.com/macs. I'll be extremely honest in that there are no special quirks about signing up. In other words we don't give out fancy certs or really cool patches. We simply give out discounts for seminars that would be happening in your area or discounts on some of the videos. The people who join are not in it for the frills. They're in it for the fun of sharing and learning. I just don't want to make it anything that it is not. After you fill out the info on the page, you will be contacted by someone from MACS, either in your region or from my school. "what is the geographical span of MACS? you mentioned bringing folks from all over the world. is that right?" I know for a fact we have members all over the US and Hawaii. There are people who came in from Okinawa and Japan this year. I do not know if they were members or invited guests. I am going to try and get some people involved over in Korea during my trip. "sounds wonderful to have so many people driven by knowledge and not egos." It's a beautiful thing to behold. After you leave an event, you can't help but feel like you left a big family reunion. Jeremy MACS ------------------------------ From: Dave Steffen Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:50:58 -0700 (MST) Subject: the_dojang: dojang in Fort Collins > From: GGDodge@aol.com > > Hi, was hoping that someone could give me some information, I may > be moving to Fort Collins Colorado. Am hoping some one can tell me > that there is a Tang Soo Do dojang some where near by. > > gary > I don't know of any TSD schools in Fort Collins; we do have a couple of "Generic" TKD schools (not meant as an insult of any kind; maybe "unaffiliated" is a better term?) that might be close enough to what you've done previously. If you're going to be involved with Colorado State University at all, you might consider the CSU TaeKwon-Do club. Not TSD by any means, but we're open to all styles. Right now, we've got several Olympic-style black belts training with us, one Shotokan guy from Australia, an awesome Moo Sul Kwan black belt, and a 2nd Dan is Sin Moo Hapkido who teaches for a few hours every week. My point being, you'd fit right in. ;-) <\shameless plug> - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Steffen Wave after wave will flow with the tide Dept. of Physics And bury the world as it does Colorado State University Tide after tide will flow and recede steffend@lamar.colostate.edu Leaving life to go on as it was... - Peart / RUSH "The reason that our people suffer in this way.... is that our ancestors failed to rule wisely". -General Choi, Hong Hi ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:17:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: the_dojang: dojang in Fort Collins > > > If you're going to be involved with Colorado State University at all, > you might consider the CSU TaeKwon-Do club. Not TSD by any means, but > we're open to all styles. Right now, we've got several Olympic-style > black belts training with us, one Shotokan guy from Australia, an > awesome Moo Sul Kwan black belt, and a 2nd Dan is Sin Moo Hapkido who > teaches for a few hours every week. My point being, you'd fit right > in. ;-) > > <\shameless plug> I can also recommend the Ft. Collins school/club that Dave mentions above. I've had the pleasure of visiting it a couple of times and each time met a great bunch of talented folks. Highly recommended. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Dennis McHenry" Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 12:50:49 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Hapkido seminar in Louisiana 12/11/99 I'd like to take the opportunity to let everyone know about an upcoming Pressure Point Seminar being sponsored by the American Hapkido Academy in Lafayette Louisiana that I and my students plan on attending. Date: Saturday December 11, 1999 Time: 10:00am - 2:00pm Location: American Hapkido Academy 4416 Johnston St. Suite 7A Lafayette, LA 70503 (318) 993-9497 Grandmaster Daniel Rogers, 8th Dan Chun Ki Hapkido, will be conducting the seminar. You can contact him at mailto:LAHapkido@aol.com. Respectfully, Mac Dennis McHenry Houston, TX ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:29:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #572 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! 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