From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #583 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 3 Dec 1999 Vol 06 : Num 583 In this issue: the_dojang: Brazilian JJ in Korea the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #582 the_dojang: TKD Journal the_dojang: Re: noncompete agreement the_dojang: Re: non-compete agreements Re: the_dojang: Brazilian JJ in Korea the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~710 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ron Bain" Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 18:38:51 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Brazilian JJ in Korea Hi everyone, I have a request from someone and no time to search this one out. Is anyone aware of any schools or individuals teaching or practicing BJJ or something similiar in Korea? (Military bases???) Thanks, Ron <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Ron Bain's Taekwondo Hapkido Web Guide http://www.cyberbeach.net/~bainr/martial.htm <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> ------------------------------ From: Tkdtiger@aol.com Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 18:42:51 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #582 In a message dated 12/3/99 5:21:47 PM Central Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << From: (George Popofski) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 16:36:52 EST Subject: the_dojang: Noncompete Agreements Does anyone have any experiences or opinions on a student signing a noncompete agreement upon joining a martial arts school? I was given one to sign before my first dan testing. It said I could not open a school within 50 miles of any existing schools my instructor had for a period of 10 years after I disassociate with him. I was given nothing in return for signing, other than the being allowed to be an instructor, for no pay. Currently, he has this noncompete clause on the back of the standard contract that all new students sign upon enrollment. Is this type of noncompete agreement enforceable? >> Get a lawyer, but I know of at least three people threatened and actually sued on this - and guess what? The courts in 3 states ruled that it is NOT enforceable and that it would severely limit that person's ability to make a living, etc. etc... etc... Now, the question for me would be? Why does he feel the need to do this? Is he that insecure? And do I want to be associated with someone who would do this? Ronda J. Sweet ------------------------------ From: Tkdtiger@aol.com Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 18:47:21 EST Subject: the_dojang: TKD Journal The USTU Executive Director has asked the Publication Committee to come up with some "different" articles for the upcoming USTU TKD Journal. Supposedly this issue will focus on the grass roots membership and what touches them. If you have anything you would like to submit, please send it to Master Silz (USTU Publication Chair) or me (USTU Publication Vice Chair) and we will be checking for suitability etc.... and passing on to the ED. The only problem is we weren't given any notice and we need to have these and the pictures by Monday - Tuesday at the latest. So if you have a USTU activity you would like to share with the rest of the USTU - a school event - kickathon - or something like the OK awards banquet - send it to me! Let's show off our accomplishments! Let's make the USTU TKD Journal a magazine of and for the membership. We cannot do that without your help. Thanks Ronda J. Sweet USTU Publication Vice Chair ------------------------------ From: Kas001@aol.com Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 18:54:21 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: noncompete agreement In a message dated 12/3/99 6:21:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: > Does anyone have any experiences or opinions on a student signing a > noncompete agreement upon joining a martial arts school? > > I was given one to sign before my first dan testing. It said I could not > open a school within 50 miles of any existing schools my instructor had for > a > period of 10 years after I disassociate with him. I was given nothing in > return for signing, other than the being allowed to be an instructor, for no > > pay. > > Currently, he has this noncompete clause on the back of the standard > contract > that all new students sign upon enrollment. > > Is this type of noncompete agreement enforceable? > I am no legal expert, so I connot comment on its enforceability. I do think it is pretty standard. While teaching w/o pay may not seem a privledge to some, remember it is actually a part of your training. Being able to break a technique down and explain it to someone helps your technique. Understanding and explaining the biomechanics behind a technique increases your knowledge. Finally, being responsible for the learning of others increases your discipline and committment. You should always continue to train, but including some teaching, under the guidence (which should decrease slowly over time) of a seasoned instructor, is the next logical step for an advanced student. On the topic of expecting a student not to compete. I would hope that most students would abide by this restriction willingly and out of respect for the instructor who trained them. If you school is in an area with a high population density, perhaps a school 20 miles away would not really be competing. If that is the case, talking out the situation with the instructor might help or even going in together to open a branch of the main school. There are possibilities. Most 1st and even 2nd or 3rd Dans are not ready to open schools of there own. There is time. Keep training, get some teaching experience, and then worry about school locations. ------------------------------ From: "Victor Cushing" Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 19:06:08 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: non-compete agreements While not an attorney, I have had some experience with non-compete agreements and contracts in general. My educated guess is that this type of clause with a 10 year time span and a 50 mile radius applied to every student, and with no specific consideration involved would be virtually unenforceable. The test applied is one of reasonableness. I have signed agreements that said because I was a senior instructor that I couldn't open a school within two miles for five years, and that I would not recruit students from the current school. That would probably hold up as I was privy to confidential information and records about those students. As an Operations manager for a large private detective agency, I signed a non-compete agreement that was for five years, had no geographic limits at all, but kept me from stealing customers (and that was fair). Vic Cushing ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 18:11:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: the_dojang: Brazilian JJ in Korea > I have a request from someone and no time to search this one out. Is anyone > aware of any schools or individuals teaching or practicing BJJ or something > similar in Korea? (Military bases???) I do recall reading an article about just that within the last few months, but can't locate it now (I looked). But you/they might check out Yudo. Yudo in Korea has retained much of Dr. Kano's original concepts while Judo in the US and Japan has not. Just this point is well defended in a September 1999 article in Taekwondo Times magazine. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 18:06:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #583 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com ===================================================================== To unsubscribe from this digest, the_dojang-digest, send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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