From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #590 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Thur, 9 Dec 1999 Vol 06 : Num 590 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: Do you worry about... the_dojang: Re: students and classes... WTF Calendar the_dojang: not the Best anymore... the_dojang: What, me worry? the_dojang: Hapkido books... the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~710 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dbuehrer@carl.org Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 10:00:32 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Do you worry about... >From: "Dale G. Gutt" > >For the Students: > > Do you care whether or not you "like" the class (or that the instructor > try to please you)? Do you look for flash in the instruction or just > what the instructor gives you must be good? Whether or not I like a martial art school does not depend wholly on the instructor. Is the school easy to get to (or worth the drive)? Is it in a safe location? Do I like the building/room the school is in? Do I like the martial art? Do I enjoy the company of the other students? Do I like the instructor? Do I like the method(s) of instruction? There are probably many other factors that I can't think of at the moment, but those are the primary ones. >Back when I was a full-time student, I always assumed that what the >instructor gave me was for my own good. I didn't necessarily have to like >it to know it was something that was good for me. But now on the other >side of the fence, I wonder about it and whether or not students will >leave cause they are "bored". :) In attempting to reply to this I just realized that my instructor has developed a simple way to find out what his students want. At the end of each test the instructor, or the black belt leading the test, takes the testee(s) aside and ask them a few questions. About half the questions pertain to things like terminology and technique. But the other half are, "Why are you taking Hapkido? What to you like about this class? What do you feel are your strengths? What are your weaknesses?" and etc. I've always felt like I'm being evaluated on every question (which in fact I am), but I now feel that the instructor also uses my answers to evaluate himself. Maybe something similar would help you determine how your students feel about you and your school. - -David Buehrer 6th Gup, Hapkido http://home.att.net/~Graht/Hapkido/Hapkido.htm - -- "The light is reached not by turning back from the darkness, but by going through it." ------------------------------ From: Donnla Nic Gearailt Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 16:50:58 +0000 Subject: the_dojang: Re: students and classes... In message <199912091616.IAA02361@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com> you write: >For the Students: > > Do you care whether or not you "like" the class (or that the instructor > try to please you)? Do you look for flash in the instruction or just > what the instructor gives you must be good? > >Back when I was a full-time student, I always assumed that what the >instructor gave me was for my own good. I didn't necessarily have to like >it to know it was something that was good for me. But now on the other >side of the fence, I wonder about it and whether or not students will >leave cause they are "bored". Hi, I thought you might be interested in what a very inexperienced student might think. I am a 9th gup in tkd and so I know I know virtually nothing about the art. However, here are my comments on pretty much every sport I have done throughout the years. I am one of these people that most PE techers at school despaired of, i.e. not very good at sports generally. I lacked the coordination and ability to think quickly necessary for basketball, soccer, volleyball, tennis, badminton etc. I wasn't naturally strong or fast for sports like gym, swimming, sprinting and throwing sports. About the only school sport I was any good at was middle-distance running, mainly because no-one else wanted to do it. I've also done aerobics (if you are willing to consider this sport). Of all these, I first of all did want to enjoy the classes. This does not mean that everything hs to be "fun". Firstly, I like a hard workout. I like to feel that any sport I do is helping me stay fit and healthy. I also like it when there is less focus on "winning" and more on participation and self-improvement (this is where tkd and, yes, aerobics win out, also long-distance running is less about the opponent and more about your own pace, stamina and so on). Finally, when the instructor understands that less able students have to train harder to make small progress, notice this and commend them on working hard, as well as the really good people, it's, well, gartifying. When there is an element of coordination or specific "moves" (eg aerobics, new swimming strokes) it takes me more repititions and time to assimilate them than it does others. I therefore like to have time in class to go over and over and over things until I get it right. So the "ok class, here's a new way to shoot at baskets, practice it for the next 20mns" is quite helpful. What I really hated was being constantly harangued and publicly humiliated by various PE teachers for my lack of skills. This was especially true for basketball, s sport I practiced enthusiatically desipte my complete lack of ability :-) (I used to be real short when I was a teenager). This tends to create, in my experience, a general feeling of hostility towards the less talented like me. I suppose it depends on whether you are trying to train a world beating team, or supply classes for all ranges and abilities. Donnla - -------------------------------------------------------------------- Donnla Nic Gearailt dbn20@cl.cam.ac.uk tel: +44-1223-334619 http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~dbn20/ Computer Laboratory, New Museums Site, Cambridge CB2 3QG, UK. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 10:38:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: WTF Calendar The_Dojang Calendar of USTU/WTF Taekwondo Events 12/9/99 Dates and locations subject to change. 2000 US Olympic Qualifying Champs Jan 21-23 Colorado Spgs, Colorado US Open TKD Champ Feb 2-6 Honolulu, Hawaii Olympic Qualifying Champs Mar 10-12 Colorado Spgs, Colorado 6th World University TKD Champ Mar 29-Apr 2 Kaohsiung, Taipei World Cup TKD Apr 14-16 Lyon, France 26th US National TKD Champs, May 4-7 Denver, Colorado 4th Seniors, 3rd Juniors 14th Asian TKD Champ May 14-18 Hong Kong, China Olympic Team Trials May 19-20 Colorado Spgs, Colorado 1st Int'l Women's Open TKD Champ June 22-25 Los Angeles, California Korea Open, Chun Chon Int'l June 24-July 1 Chun Chon, Korea 20th US Junior Olympic Champs July 10-15 San Antonio, Texas 27th Olympic Games Sep 13-Oct 1 Sydney, Australia Olympic Games TKD event Sep 27-30 Sydney, Australia 6th African TKD (3rd Women's) Champ Zimbabwe 13th European Senior TKD Champ Athens, Greece 12th Pan American TKD Champ Puerto Rico 2001 World Cup TKD May Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam WTF General Assembly & Executive Sept Council meeting Cheju City, Korea 15th World TKD Champ & 8th Women's World TKD Champ mid-Sept Cheju City, Korea 7th Central American Games Guatemala City, Guatemala 2002 14th European Senior TKD Champ Turkey 7th South American Games Cordoba, Argentina 2003 14th Pan American Games Santo Domingo, Dominican Rep ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 10:46:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: not the Best anymore... FYI, I've switched ISPs for the home access stuff and am no longer accessible at the best.com address (rterry@best.com). Ray Terry ------------------------------ From: "Christopher Spiller" Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 10:34:21 PST Subject: the_dojang: What, me worry? Dale asked some interesting questions: >For the Instructors: >Do you worry about whether or not your students will "like" the >class >that you teach (and if they like you as well)? Do you try to >make the >lessons fun and not just the "same old" thing? Now that I am back in graduate school I no longer teach but I did have a small, dedicated group of students before then. Luckily I wasn't teaching for money and didn't even go looking for students so my experience will probably be different than most people's. I figured that they were interested in Taekwon-Do and that's what I gave them. No aerobic kick boxing, no Toddlerkwon-Do, just simple martial arts. The syllabus my instructor uses for his schools is pretty extensive so we never really had a lack of things to practice: basics, flying kicks, multiple kicks, forms, breaking, combinations, step sparring, free sparring, self defense, etc. As to whether this was "fun" or not depends on who you ask but I like to work out, my students liked to work out, and I even liked to teach classes. Actually, on a little bit of an excurses, I found out that teaching is something that was "fun" for me. I like to do Taekwon-Do, but I also like to teach it. At least to people who want to learn! >I have often wondered what goes through the mind of my students and > >whether or not they like the class. I guess my belief is that if >they >like the class, then they will learn from it and are more >likely to take >away the concepts to try/practice on their own. >Whereas, if they don't >like it they are more likely to be bored with >it and not want to practice >it on their own. It's true that liking something may lead one to study it more but there's also something to be said for self-motivation. If you realize that martial arts have an inherent worth to them (self-defense, self-improvement, etc.) then hopefully that will motivate you to do your best even if you may not find class "fun." >For the Students: >Do you care whether or not you "like" the class (or that the >instructor >try to please you)? Do you look for flash in the >instruction or just what >the instructor gives you must be good? Well, now that I am no longer teaching I will also answer this part of the question ;) . It doesn't matter if the instructor is trying to please me with what he's teaching. Of course, this is because I generally like most of the things we practice. But if the instructor is going to try to please me in what he's teaching I'd want it to be techniques that I'm having some trouble with. This way I can make progress on them. I may not "like" practicing the pattern Juche, for example, but I really like doing it well! >Back when I was a full-time student, I always assumed that what the >instructor gave me was for my own good. I didn't necessarily have >to like >it to know it was something that was good for me. But now >on the other >side of the fence, I wonder about it and whether or not >students will >leave cause they are "bored". This is a legitimate question. One has to do a balancing act between giving the student what is good for them and presenting it in a way that makes them want to take it. The danger is when you try to make it so appealing that it ceases to become martial arts and becomes something else. Ultimately some people are going to realize that "this just isn't for me" no matter WHAT you teach or HOW you teach it! Taekwon, Chris ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: J Thomas Howard Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 14:42:55 -0600 (CST) Subject: the_dojang: Hapkido books... People were asking about hapkido books, so I thought I'd chime in (always on the lookout for new hapkido books.) These are the Hapkido books I have thus far: Bong Soo Han Hapkido: Korean Art of Self-defense Choe, Hui Son Hap Ki Do: The Korean Martial Art of Self-Defense Choe, Hui Son Practical Hapkido Textbook Chung, Kee Tae Hap Ki Do: The Complete Art of Self-Defense Jee, Joon M. Elementary Hapkido Kimm, He-Young Hapkido Bible Myung, Kwang Sik Hapkido Weapons: The Knife Myung, Kwang Sik Hapkido Weapons: The Cane Myung, Kwang Sik Hapkido Weapons: The Forms Myung, Kwang Sik Hapkido Special Self-Protection Techniques Myung, Kwang Sik Korean Hapkido: Ancient Art of Masters Shaw, Scott Hapkido: Korean Art of Self-Defense Spear, Robert K. HAPKIDO: The Integrated Fighting Art The book by Joon M. Jee is actually part of a five book set, or at least were supposed to be. (The one I have is book II.) I almost got my hands on book one, but someone got to it before I could put in my bid. Anyone know anything about the other books by Jee? Were they all published? Apparently, Bong Soo Han ALSO has a Vol II of his hapkido book. I hadn't known that, but spoke to a man who was selling it on the web---again, someone got to it before I could. Anyone else heard of this book? I specifically asked the man about the "VOL II" part, and he said it was on the book. The Korea Hapkido Federation has apparently has three books on hapkido, which I haven't seen, and it was mentioned to me that I should contact Richard Hackworth for those. Anyone have contact info or those books? Are they any good? There is a HapKiDo book by Kim Sou Bong --- I don't have it, the person who has it says it is completely in German, and he got it from someone who studied with Kim Sou Bong. As I don't read German, that doesn't help me much, but for anyone in Germany... Dr. Jung Hwan Park has a book out on Hapkido, and though I don't have it yet, I've heard that it is well worth getting. I'm planning on writing him about it, and for those interested, his address is: J. PARK WORLD TAEKWONDON & HAPKIDO CENTER 2716 WEST WATERS AVENUE TAMPA, FL 33614 (813) 936-7011 I don't have the book by Chong Min Lee, either. (Lee of New Jersey) I'm working on find it also, but haven't had any luck thus far. Anyone else have any hapkido books they know about that aren't on the above list? Any contact info for said books? Thomas - ------------------------------------ thomcat@binary.net http://www.binary.net/thomcat/ "If you aren't modeling what you are teaching then you are teaching something else." ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 14:30:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #590 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com ===================================================================== To unsubscribe from this digest, the_dojang-digest, send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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