From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #591 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 10 Dec 1999 Vol 06 : Num 591 In this issue: the_dojang: Hapkido books the_dojang: Hapkido Books Re: the_dojang: Hapkido Books the_dojang: Hapkido Books the_dojang: Re: Do you worry about... the_dojang: Re: Do you worry about... the_dojang: what a 9th gup has to say the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~710 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HKDTodd@aol.com Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:17:10 EST Subject: the_dojang: Hapkido books I have the book by Dr Park and it is better than most I have seen. Todd ------------------------------ From: jsegovia@mindspring.com Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 18:23:28 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Hapkido Books I have every book on your list with the exception of the books by Han BongSoo, Robert Spear and Scott Shaw (flipping through them at the book store, I decided to pass), the first Cheo HuiSon book (do you recommend it?), and this one: Chung, Kee Tae Hap Ki Do: The Complete Art of Self-Defense Can you tell me more about this? Where did you get it? Is it worthwhile? I do have Vol. I of the Jee book. It's OK but not one of the best. As far as I know, he never wrote anything beyond Vol. II. I haven't heard anything about the KHF books but I've heard of an instructor's manual, which is apparently very hard to get, only for people who've completed the KHF instructor's course. If you do contact Mr. Hackworth and find you can get the books through him, please let me know. 'Haven't heard about the books by Kim Sou Bong or Jung Hwan Park, either. I have seen an English language book made by a German Hapkido instructor, something like 'Eagle Hapkido,' which I also decided not to buy. When I get home tonight I'll write a list of all the Hapkido books I have, as well as video tapes. Jesse ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 16:13:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: the_dojang: Hapkido Books Another is Hap Ki Do by Han Jung-doo of the World Hapkido Games Federation. It is in both english and hangul. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Jesse Segovia Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 23:08:28 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Hapkido Books As promised, here's a list of my Hapkido books, by author, title, organization, language (E is English and K is Korean, of course), and date. Choi HeeSun Hapkido Korea Hapkido Association E,K 4/25/99 Han JungDoo Hapkido World Hapkido Games Federation E,K 3/1/97 He-Young Kimm Hapkido World HanMuDo Association E 1991 Hapkido II World HanMuDo Association E 1994 In SunSeo Kuk Sool World KukSool Association E Jo WonSang Hapkido Basics International Hapkido Federation K 1992 Ho Shin Sul International Hapkido Federation K 11/10/97 Joon M. Jee Elementary Hapkido International Hapkido Association E Introduction to Hapkido International Hapkido Association E Kim SangDok, Ko BekYoung Hapkido Vol. 1, Basic Course International Hapkido Federation K 3/10/1981 Kwang SikMyung Hapkido Hoshinsul World Hapkido Federation E,K 1993 Hapkido Weapons Vol. I - The Knife World Hapkido Federation E 1988 Hapkido Weapons Vol. II - The Cane World Hapkido Federation E 1988 Hapkido Weapons Vol. III - The Forms World Hapkido Federation E 1988 Korean Hapkido, Ancient Art of Masters World Hapkido Federation E 1976 Kwang SikMyung, Kim JongTek Hapkido K 5/7/76 Yum JangHo JungTong Hapkido BekKwa Central Korean Hapkido Federation K 1994 ------------------------------ From: Stan Lim Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 17:50:11 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Do you worry about... I'm sitting in a fully-loaded plane on my way to Austin, TX, and finally have a few moments to catch up with my digest reading. Here is my 2 cents worth of medicine for Mr. Terry's flu :-) Dale posed: >For the Students: > > Do you care whether or not you "like" the class (or that the instructor > try to please you)? Do you look for flash in the instruction or just > what the instructor gives you must be good? Yes, and No. First of all, I look out for good instructors. I don't look specifically for classes where the instructor is always trying to please me or the rest of the students. I believe that good instructors have a lot of knowledge they can teach me, and like anything worthwhile to learn, sometimes, it might be difficult or uncomfortable. I would expect a good instructor to push me to new levels. For example, in one class, we were taught how to do backflips (with the use of waist straps and pulleys to prevent us from landing on our faces). Many students were clearly not comfortable with the class, but a few managed to summon the courage to try. Tieing in to the thread on parents and children in TKD, one mother was so proud when her shy 14-year old daughter actually stepped up to try the backflip after some coaxing from the instructor and fellow students. The mother could hardly contain her pride that her daughter had the confidence to try, and the girl was exhilarated with the experience. Maybe I am lucky, or maybe I'm just a sponge sucking up as much knowledge as I can from anyone. I've had more than a half dozen instructors in my life, and I've always found something I liked about each of them. And, rather than to re-hash an old thread about what my ideal instructor is like, I'll just point you to the dojang digest archives as we have already discussed this topic. >Back when I was a full-time student, I always assumed that what the >instructor gave me was for my own good. I didn't necessarily have to like >it to know it was something that was good for me. But now on the other >side of the fence, I wonder about it and whether or not students will >leave cause they are "bored". The first point about instructors always knowing what is good for the student is not always true. One would hope that they are all-knowing, but they are human. At times, they may make decisions that are not ideal for a particular student. From my personal experience, I still have an injured knee because I went back to class to soon (at the urging of the instructor that I need to work out the knee to strengthen it). Not only that, he pushed me to take a belt promotion test, and during the test, he made me do a lot of jumping kicks when he had told me the day before that he would not because of my knee. As a result, my knee gave way near the end of the test, and I am now back in the sidelines. To address your second point about students leaving because of boredom, in my opinion, it would be very hard to bore a good student. By a good student, I mean a student who knows that the basics are very important, and no matter how good you think you are, you may still need to perfect your basics. A student who wants to learn a lot of new techniques without mastering the basics might get bored. A student who is trying to perfect his technique though countless repetitions probably won't get bored. Personally, sometimes, I feel that some instructors teach too much to keep the class "interesting" and we don't spend enough time going over the basics. From the instructor's perspective, like any other service business, it is important to know what the customers want. It never hurts to ask the students for feedback (although I realize that some traditions may deem this inappropriate). ------------------------------ From: Piotr Bernat Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 21:49:07 +0200 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Do you worry about... Dale wrote: > For the Instructors: > > Do you worry about whether or not your students will "like" the class > that you teach (and if they like you as well)? Do you try to make the > lessons fun and not just the "same old" thing? I teach a lot of kids and I simply have to think whether they like the training or not. Kids easily get bored if the classes are not interesting for them. But also for the older students, it`s important to me to make classes exciting. I always try new ideas, introduce new exercises, sometimes it`s really just a minor change - but the students enjoy it and they learn faster. I remember the time when I trained in a school where there was in fact NOTHING new. I could really tell what the next thing during each training will be. It was really a nightmare and in fact, nobody was learning, the only reaction was, "oh, not XXXXX again". Regards - -- Piotr Bernat dantaekwondo@lublin.home.pl http://www.taekwondo.prv.pl ------------------------------ From: d g Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 02:26:28 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: what a 9th gup has to say From: Donnla Nic Gearailt Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 16:50:58 +0000 Subject: the_dojang: Re: students and classes... > From: Donnla Nic Gearailt > Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 16:50:58 +0000 > Subject: the_dojang: Re: students and classes... > > >> Hi, I thought you might be interested in what a very inexperienced student >> might think. I am a 9th gup in tkd and so I know I know virtually nothing about the art. >> >> Hi Donnla, Interesting name. How did your mother come by it? I might use it for a grandchild. :) Anyway, I am very interested in what a ninth gup has to say, When I started on these mailing lists I was also ninth gup. I am third gup now and testing for 2nd in Jan. Some might warn you I am too verbal and stand up to my seniors. Well, that is the way I am. I cannot agree to something I do not feel right. Even if it means not getting my BB I am afraid. If they make me see it their way I will stand down though. How much we are alike. I was also not too good at high school sports. Basketball I loved but I felt lousey at. The only reason the coach wanted me was my height. I refused. For one, a over competitive person was on the team. She made it a point to put ppl who were not good at the sport down in front of everyone. Two, height to me means nothing. I always wished I was short. Constantly bumping my head. Still do. Cuss less now since I started martial arts though. Martial arts is the only place where I do not feel like a clutze. Even if you are not really good, you belong. I wish I had started this art at a younger age. My instructor lived next to my aunt all this time and I never knew him. I wished I did. Maybe I would of started sooner. At 19 like he did. I started at 37. Just celebrated my b-day nov 21 which I turned 40. No-one is too old to start. I am trying to convince someone who I work with to start. She is learning tai chi through some books and tapes I leant her. The stress management she had hoped for is not working. She jks around she wants to come to kyukido now. Just so she can learn to kick the bosses rump. I work with her in the same med-van company. She is secretary and basically does everything in the office. The boss mostly collects the money. Sometimes fixes the vans too. :) I think I will convince her this month. For a x-mas gift she is putting her two grandchildren in little dragons class. She will be watching them. Donna ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 08:28:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #591 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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