From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #4 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 3 Jan 2000 Vol 07 : Num 004 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #3 Re: the_dojang: Goodbye Emily :'( the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #3 the_dojang: Re: goodbye emily :'( the_dojang: history project the_dojang: wrist damage the_dojang: re: goodbye emily :( the_dojang: damage the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~745 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, CA Taekwondo, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GIJo66286@aol.com Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 11:18:46 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #3 I was wondering if anyone could help me. I am involved inTSD and I know that there are two major organizations out there. One run by Grandmaster Jae Chul Shin and another run by GRandmaster Kim. I was wondering if anyone knows about a connection between the two of them. Did they ever train together? Know each other? etc ------------------------------ From: jsegovia@mindspring.com Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 11:31:48 -0500 Subject: Re: the_dojang: Goodbye Emily :'( David, may I offer my sincere condolences to you and to Emily's family. Twenty-nine is such a young age to leave this world, and for this to happen in such a violent and senseless way must make this even more difficult. I hope this crime can quickly be solved, and perhaps we can all draw the sad lesson that martial arts training doesn't make us invulnerable or clairvoyant. Please let us know how this develops. Jesse David wrote: > A fellow Hapkido student passed away last night after being brutally attacked late Friday night/early Saturday morning. She was unable to recover from massive head injuries and was declared brain dead on Sunday. Her family elected to disconnect her body from the life support machines that was keeping it alive. Her family, close friends, three HKD instructors, and a few fellow HDK students, had the opportunity to say goodbye to her before she died. ------------------------------ From: Cecil Washington Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 09:21:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #3 My repost to Kim (and hey, Kim, what's up? How you been doing?) Now, what about those gifted people who only need the basics before they can go on to apply them for themselves in advanced ways? Is it the accumulation of technique, the state of consciousness one attains, or a combination of both that dictates whether one can stop at black belt in a particular art? Let's take a (already overused/deified/trite/hyper-worshipped icon/a man whose points people totally miss in their fanaticism instead of listening to his wisdom) Bruce Lee. Would a Bruce Lee really need formal instruction after 1st Dan, or would he put together what he knows into "something useful"? ' What I am getting at is that there may be some of us who need that support of others you get in class to continue progressing, while others can go out there with only a basic starting point and find the way for themselves. I suspect that most people are in the former group, and WAAYYY too many people think they are in the latter group. Personally, I tend to bounce back and forth in both groups, depending on what life hands me. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 12:39:48 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: goodbye emily :'( In a message dated 01/03/2000 10:07:02 AM Central Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: " A fellow Hapkido student passed away last night after being brutally attacked late Friday night/early Saturday morning. She was unable to recover from massive head injuries and was declared brain dead on Sunday. Her family elected to disconnect her body from the life support machines that was keeping it alive. Her family, close friends, three HKD instructors, and a few fellow HDK students, had the opportunity to say goodbye to her before she died. " David, i cried when i read all of this. what a tragedy. please keep us posted on the investigation into her death. my condolences to you all. melinda ------------------------------ From: Tkdtiger@aol.com Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 13:14:06 EST Subject: the_dojang: history project In a message dated 1/3/00 10:06:17 AM Central Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Dear Ray and Fellow Readers: From one end - mine - it seems that the project is on-track. I have a full outline and a good amount of the text already written. I am truly having a difficult time getting the photos, stories, and anecdotes I have requested from the people who's history I am endeavoring to cover. Perhaps they are famous enough and don't want their mug shots in the book. I'm not too worried, though, I have lots of pictures of me around that I'll have a good excuse to use : ) Sincerely, SESilz >> just my two cents - I tihnk a lot of people have items they could share with Mr. Silz but are holding back as they think the items are not "important" enough. What you might consider unimportant may be exactly what he needs to finish an area. Let Master Silz decide. Another issue is that of the word history - remember, yesterday is now history. What you have does not need to be 25 years old to be of value to this project - items from a year ago are also valuable. so innundate him with paper - I promise he will get it back to you. ------------------------------ From: d g Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 15:39:35 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: wrist damage > From: "Pohl, Axel" > Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 12:00:03 MET-1MEST > Subject: [none] > > Does anyone have any experience how TKD-training may damage any of > the knuckles/wrists? > > I had damage done to both wrists now. Tendonitis on my left wrist which happened in June and I waited over a month before I seen a doc about it. Now in my right. Both caused by sparring. Right wrist is just jammed. She hit me dead on the knuckles. Donna ------------------------------ From: d g Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 15:54:13 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: re: goodbye emily :( I am sorry to hear about your friend. Too bad she could not take a piece of him with her. May he suffer in pain the rest of his life. Donna ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 3 Jan 100 13:41:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: damage Regarding wrist/hand/etc damage from breaking and conditioning. Yes, it will typically occur to those that do excessive conditioning and breaking over longer periods of time (years). In their later years they will -typically- develop some rather troublesome joint problems. But long term light conditioning doesn't seem to cause serious damage, e.g. knuckle pushups on rough concrete. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 13:29:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #4 ****************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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