From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #5 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Tues, 4 Jan 2000 Vol 07 : Num 005 In this issue: the_dojang: re: goodbye emily :( the_dojang: TSD orgs the_dojang: MA videos? the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #4 the_dojang: condolences... the_dojang: what Kim is doing in Korea... the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #4 the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #4 the_dojang: Re: Goodbye Emily the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #4 ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~745 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, CA Taekwondo, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jsegovia@mindspring.com Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 16:54:43 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: re: goodbye emily :( dg wrote: > I am sorry to hear about your friend. Too bad she could not take a piece of him with her. May he suffer in pain the rest of his life. < When I feel I've been wronged and the wrong is unredressed, I'm often tempted to wish for bad things to come to the person responsible. I've certainly never been wronged to this extent, and so I cannot begin to understand or comment on how this person's family and friends may be reacting. But in my limited experience, a person who could commit such a great evil as this doesn't need our bad thoughts to suffer; I imagine he or she was in a pretty miserable state long before this occurred, and the suffering will only continue, whether or not they are ever caught. Perhaps it's better to hope that this person comes to some kind of positive resolution that allows them to take responsibility and deal with this incident honorably, if for no other reason than to prevent this from happening to someone else. Jesse ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 3 Jan 100 17:34:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: TSD orgs > I was wondering if anyone could help me. I am involved inTSD and I know that > there are two major organizations out there. One run by Grandmaster Jae Chul > Shin and another run by GRandmaster Kim. I was wondering if anyone knows > about a connection between the two of them. Did they ever train together? > Know each other? etc Your best source of info on the many Tang Soo Do and Soo Bahk Do orgs is Ron Bain's website, the specific URL you'd want is http://www.cyberbeach.net/~bainr//koreanma/KMAlinks.htm#TANG-SOO-DO. I believe the JC Shin is senior to CS Kim, but senior to both of them is Jae-joon Kim. He heads the World MDK TSD Fed out of Florida. Grandmaster KIM Jae-joon holds Dan #38 from founder Grandmaster HWANG Kee. As to GM Shin and GM JJ Kim, they probably were at the MDK in Seoul at the same time or about the same time. JC Shin started at the MDK just a couple years after GM JJ Kim received his 1st Dan from same. Not sure when CS Kim was at the MDK, but I think it was a few years after JC Shin. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Stan Lim Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 17:18:17 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: MA videos? Just curious, how may people here besides Mr. Burrese have developed MA training videos? Please tell us what your video is about, and how we might go about purchasing them. How many other people are planning to make their own videos in the future? How many would like to, but don't have a clue on how to get started? (Don't look at me, I'm just asking the questions :-)) Happy New Year! Stan Lim TKD, San Jose, CA ------------------------------ From: Iceman Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 01:39:26 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #4 the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com wrote: > The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 3 Jan 2000 Vol 07 : Num 004 > > In this issue: > > the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #3 > Re: the_dojang: Goodbye Emily :'( > the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #3 > the_dojang: Re: goodbye emily :'( > the_dojang: history project > the_dojang: wrist damage > the_dojang: re: goodbye emily :( > the_dojang: damage > the_dojang: . > ========================================================================= > > The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~745 members strong! > Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, CA Taekwondo, and Martial Arts Resource > > Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. > > To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in > the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed > to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. > > To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com > > See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four > years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com > > Pil Seung! > > Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com > Hi, everyone I am new to this list, and I signed on because I think I want to give hapkido a try. I was wondering if there was someone on here who was talking it and could give me a little background infomation on it. As well as the whole idea of Hapkido. I head a bit of it from a freind on the net, but I was just looking for more info. Thanks. ------------------------------ From: Kim Jones Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 22:51:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: condolences... I'm sorry to hear about Emily's passing. She sounds like such a wonderful yet unfortunate person to have this happen to her. I am hoping that they will catch the person who did this. It's _very_ unfortunate. ===== ~~~kimmie kim *ladytimberland@yahoo.com* "Everything I touch, I break." Stabbing Westward, "Darkest Days" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Kim Jones Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 23:18:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: what Kim is doing in Korea... (Don't mind my quote. It changes on a daily basis.) I happen to be back in the ROK because of my daddy. While he's out and about doing his job with the military, I'm down here in Seoul attending school and being a general brat. When I'm not at school being an angel (riiiiiiiiiight), I'm either writing poetry, going to Taekwondo class, or handling my college business. If there's anybody else who lives in Seoul, they might have run into me on Yongsan or out in Seoul. But at any rate, I'm here until probably July this year because then I go back to America for college. On the living end of things, I would personally like it better if we were living off-post because life on-post is dull. Really. I'm handling some of the pettier things going on at the high school. For once in my life I feel like I am not a teenybopper anymore. *shakes her head* Cruel cruel reality has set in. I don't have time to be juvenile when I have emancipation sitting right at my door. *yays!* But you can't have your cake and eat it too, so I'm just dealing with things, grinning and bearing it. =) anything else you would like to know aobut me, you can talk to me whenever I'm on ICQ or AOL IM. =) I like talking to different people from different regions of the world. ===== ~~Kim Jones *ladytimberland@yahoo.com* ICQ: 52828008 AOL: Lady Timberland "Everything I touch, I break." Stabbing Westward, "Darkest Days" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Kim Jones Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 23:31:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #4 - ------------------------------ From: Cecil Washington Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 09:21:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #3 My repost to Kim (and hey, Kim, what's up? How you been doing?) Now, what about those gifted people who only need the basics before they can go on to apply them for themselves in advanced ways? Is it the accumulation of technique, the state of consciousness one attains, or a combination of both that dictates whether one can stop at black belt in a particular art? Let's take a (already overused/deified/trite/hyper-worshipped icon/a man whose points people totally miss in their fanaticism instead of listening to his wisdom) Bruce Lee. Would a Bruce Lee really need formal instruction after 1st Dan, or would he put together what he knows into "something useful"? ' What I am getting at is that there may be some of us who need that support of others you get in class to continue progressing, while others can go out there with only a basic starting point and find the way for themselves. I suspect that most people are in the former group, and WAAYYY too many people think they are in the latter group. Personally, I tend to bounce back and forth in both groups, depending on what life hands me. *coughs and applauds Cecil avidly* (Hey man - sup? I've been maintaining over here. Things are kinda "suckin'" right now but I'll live.) You have stumped me...for a minute until my brain kicks in and can answer. It's a combination of both that should keep the person going past black belt. YOu can be the most talented person in the world, but if you have no drive to really really learn something, even if it's on your own, what good will it do? If you stop at a particular place and say that happens to be your goal, fine, but...if you can go on, you should. Sometimes we need people in a class-type setting to support us. I often find myself over there. But on my own, I find more of the spiritual ideas coming to me there than they would in a group setting. What you go off and do on your own differentiates on a tangent that almost in no way has anything to do with what you do in class. (This is my 200 won for the conversation, BTW.) I just feel that you should go as far as you can possibly (or impossibly) go. When nothing else can possibly be achieved, that is when you can stop. You have done all you can. As for myself, I had to give up testing at Kukkiwon back in November when I broke my toe in October. No way on this beautiful green Earth would I cripple myself to chase a dream. However, when I'm pretty much (99.9% healed), you can sure bet your man won that I'll be at Kukkiwon this spring testing for my black belt. When I'm no longer able to walk or can no longer pass on my knowledge nor gain, that is when I will stop with TKD or any other arts I have learned. Okay, that's more like 1000 won worth of thought. (Today's exchange rate is about 1100 won to the US$1. About.) ===== ~~Kim Jones *ladytimberland@yahoo.com* ICQ: 52828008 AOL: Lady Timberland "Everything I touch, I break." Stabbing Westward, "Darkest Days" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "Vaught, Clifford (CLF N6Y2K8)" Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 08:08:29 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #4 GI Joe- Actually, there are about 5 major TSD organizations, the largest being Grandmaster Hwang Kee's Soo Bahk Do Moo Duk Kwan Federation. He started what is known as Tang Soo Do in 1945. GM Jae Chul Shin's World TSD Association spun off in 1982. He has Dan Bon 698. GM C.S. Kim has the International TSD Federation (ITF). I don't know his Dan Bon but in his book, Authentic Tang Soo Do, there are photographs of him training with GM Hwang Kee and his son, H.C. Hwang who heads up the U.S. Soo Bahk Do Moo Duk Kwan. GM Jae Joon Kim, heads up the World Moo Duk Kwan Tang Soo Do Federation. He has Dan Bon 38. GM Kang Uk Lee heads up the International TSD Federation (ITSDF) out of the U.K. He unfortunately also calls his organization the U.K. Tang Soo (Soo Bahk) Do Federation - that would be an infringement of copyright since Soo Bahk Do is registered as a trademark of GM Hwang Kee's organization. Other large TSD organizations include Cheezic Tang Soo Do, Tang Soo Do Mi Guk Kwan (another unfortunate spin off), James Roberts' TKD Moo Duk Kwan, and, of course, Master Chuck Norris (Dan Bon 2819) has lead to the National Tang Soo Do Congress and the United Fighting Arts Federation - both TSD organizations. Did they train together or know each other? C.S. Kim's Authentic Tang Soo Do has some wonderful photographs of many of the different grandmasters meeting and training. Great historic photos. GM Hwang Kee's History of the Moo Duk Kwan, American insert shows photographs of Chuck Norris meeting with him. Hope this helps! Soo Bahk!! Cliff Vaught - -----Original Message----- From: GIJo66286@aol.com Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 11:18:46 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #3 I was wondering if anyone could help me. I am involved inTSD and I know that there are two major organizations out there. One run by Grandmaster Jae Chul Shin and another run by GRandmaster Kim. I was wondering if anyone knows about a connection between the two of them. Did they ever train together? Know each other? etc - ------------------------------ ------------------------------ From: dbuehrer@carl.org Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 07:39:36 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Goodbye Emily >From: jsegovia@mindspring.com > >...martial arts training doesn't make us invulnerable or clairvoyant. Thank you. You completed a half-thought that was floating around inside my head. Part of me was screaming, "Why didn't she defend herself?" I have no doubt that she defended herself to the best of her abilities, but, as you pointed out, her training didn't make her invulnerable or clairvoyant. >Please let us know how this develops. > >Jesse It's starting to appear that her boyfriend killed her. http://www.denverpost.com/news/news0104c.htm http://www.insidedenver.com/news/0104teac0.shtml ------------------------------ From: Cecil Washington Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 07:08:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #4 To: "Pohl, Axel" If you look at Aikido and Yoga, you may find some wrist stretches that can help you. I started getting tendonitis from excessive typing at work. When I started the Aikido stretches for the wrist, and the yoga, the symptoms died down. Mind you, I have one wrist that was broken while I was playing as a kid, which never healed correctly, and I can still train. Take a look at: http://www.bodymindandmodem.com/KiEx/KiEx.html Start with the link on Nikyo (it's in small print under the pictures) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #5 ****************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com ===================================================================== To unsubscribe from this digest, the_dojang-digest, send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com in pub/the_dojang/digests. 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