From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #20 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Tues, 11 Jan 2000 Vol 07 : Num 020 In this issue: the_dojang: Alain's video the_dojang: Re: Alain's video the_dojang: Re: Alain's video the_dojang: Re: ustu events the_dojang: Kim in TKD--How Long? the_dojang: Lessons Learned the_dojang: Hapkido teaching... Re: the_dojang: Kim in TKD--How Long? Re: the_dojang: Hapkido teaching... [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~735 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, CA Taekwondo, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Aaron Harmon" Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 16:03:20 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Alain's video i.e. instead of teaching N defenses > against wrist grab, then N defenses against elbow grab, then N defenses > against shoulder grab, ...... , then N defenses against bear hug from the > front, then from the rear, ... how about organizing the material so that > the way to execute an armbar is taught and then all the ways to respond w/an > armbar from a variety of attacks. Then teach the wrist lock w/possible > throw and show how to respond with that defense from a variety of different > attacks. I have seen this in DZR Jujutsu, it works very well, but then when I went to Kuk Sool, which has it with X counters to a grab, X counters to a Bearhug, I saw applications I never saw before. Perhaps there could be a compromise, White belts learn a basic arms bar and then 20 arm bar applications, then yellow belts learn a forward wristlock and then 20 applications etc... Aaron ~~~~~ The method of thinking is different between the Moderates and the strange Left and bizarre Right. The Moderates go with the old axiom that: "I disagree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it." The bizarre Right says: "I disagree with what you say and I will kill you if you say it again." The strange Left says: "I disagree with what you say and I will kill myself if you say it again." ------------------------------ From: Sohei@aol.com Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 19:06:15 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: Alain's video In a message dated 1/10/00 6:37:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << That being instead of organizing the Hapkido syllabus by types of grabs, organize it by types of defenses. i.e. instead of teaching N defenses against wrist grab, then N defenses against elbow grab, then N defenses against shoulder grab, ...... , then N defenses against bear hug from the front, then from the rear, ... how about organizing the material so that the way to execute an armbar is taught and then all the ways to respond w/an armbar from a variety of attacks. Then teach the wrist lock w/possible throw and show how to respond with that defense from a variety of different attacks. >> Actually, this concept is hundreds of years old and predates aikido and hapkido. It is how kata is constructed in traditional jujutsu. Good idea though!! Robert ------------------------------ From: d g Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 19:03:30 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Alain's video > > > From: Ray Terry > Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 13:18:00 -0800 (PST) > Subject: the_dojang: Alain's video > > Just received my copy of Alain's video, Hapkido Hoshinsul, a couple of days > ago and had a chance to view it. > > > > Comments from the Hapkido (or HRD, or KSW, or HMD) teachers & students out > there? > > Back to Alain's video, I liked it and recommend it as an excellent intro > into how Hapkido can deal with some very common 'street' situations. Check > it out. I received mine in Nov. I enjoyed it very much and thought also on how well organized it was. I would like in his next video to show some of the moves done in street clothes after he goes through it in the do-chang. I just got back my video back from my instructor last week along with a hapkido video done by my grandmaster's brother. I could only watch some of that video. He was starting to scare me. The "dummy" was tapping out and the Master would not let go. In fact, he went a little further. You could see the pain on his face. I'm sorry, I have seen some video's but this one is different. This is one I would NOT recommend to a new student to watch. Not sure if I could trust this guy after seeing that. My instructors also loved your video Alain. My main instructor wanted to know how much anf how to get it and I told him. They both said the same things I had on how good it was. Alain's video was done in good form and I know both him and his partners had a good time doing it. It is definately one to put in all martial artists video collection. Donna - -- Me and my shadow ------------------------------ From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 22:37:27 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: ustu events In a message dated 01/10/2000 5:36:03 PM Central Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: "Kansas City Classic TKD Champs Oren Gautreux 816-229-6611 Mar 3-4" oh cool. i missed this one last year and it's in my own back yard...lol. melinda ------------------------------ From: "John Groff" Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 02:12:11 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: Kim in TKD--How Long? <<. . .Dr. Un Yong Kim for not being a Taekwon-Doin (which I think is legitimate).>> Saayyyy. . .having read recently that Kim Un-yong was promoted to 7th dan, and remembering that he originally was a bureaucrat and not a practitioner of any martial art, I'm curious as to when (about or exactly) did he begin studying TKD, and does anyone have the 411 on how long each level (dan) took him to achieve? Wondering, Chaney Hardman ------------------------------ From: "Farral, Kim G" Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 06:46:27 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Lessons Learned - - -David Buehrer As you related in your story, a drunk person with no knowledge of the martial arts gave you a black eye :) Good Point Dave! (one which I remember often so as not to repeat it...hopefully) It was good to read your more serious approach to your training. Training is a serious part of life and should be approached as such. We train to be prepared and to prepare others that follow in our footsteps. It is always better to avoid a fight than to be forced to end one. But if you must...end it quick! In my added experiences, I have been able to avoid quite a few altercations and prevent fights simply by talking or by my confident (yet ready) presence. (There was a period where I found myself invovled in some heated situation for whatever reason...as either a bystander or the target...all in different states and locations...must be my heigth) I believe I have an obligation to step in and try to prevent situations from becoming volitile. Perhaps it may seem like an ego thing, but I beleive it is my sworn obligation as a martial artist to try and difuse heated situations, even when not directly involved. I am pleased to say I have managed to avoid such situations for the past decade plus. It is amazing what a calm and confident presence can acheive when flight is not an option (though it is and should be the first option when a situation cannot be avoided). Am very glad to hear you are moving on, learning, and most importantly, healing! In all sincerety, please continue to do so! Pil Sung!! The One and Only... Tink ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 09:27:31 EST Subject: the_dojang: Hapkido teaching... In a message dated 1/10/00 4:36:38 PM Mountain Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Back to Alain's video, I liked it and recommend it as an excellent intro into how Hapkido can deal with some very common 'street' situations. Check it out. >> Thanks Ray, I'm glad you liked the video! The first outline was entirely different, and more in a traditional teaching manner. Start will all wrist grabs, then other techniques, etc. But then I started thinking, wouldn't it be better to group the techniques around a principle or body part so the viewer can see the principle and then use the various techniques that build on it. So I changed the order of the video, and think it is a much better way to present the material for the purpose of the video. I never wanted to make a tape that shows all the different hapkido techniques at each belt level, I wanted a tape that shows some principles and techniques from hapkido that can be used for self-defense. As for a class curriculum, I don't teach them like this. I stay a lot closer to the KHF curriculum. For one, I have the KHF manual to follow. Two, that is how I learned them and I'm trying to also include the tradition to the class and let the students know how it was taught in Korea. Three, if the student gets the basic techniques down well at the early level from a wrist grab, the learning later becomes easier and the student can then start figuring out things as well. I follow the class routine and curriculum from Korea for about 80-85% of the class. The other 15-20% I vary because of my other training and background, and add some other self-defense skills that we didn't practice in Korea. But for the joint lock techniques, I'm teaching them in the order the KHF does, and that is all the basics from a wrist grab at white belt level, etc. For a seminar, or guest class, teaching like I do in the video can work. Since it is difficult for people to learn a variety of different techniques in one sitting, you teach the basic technique, and then multiple variations so that the person can use the principle in various ways. There are a variety of hapkido curriculums, and there are people that have been teaching and doing seminars much longer than I, but these are a few of my observations. You make a good point about "what if the student is attacked in a way they have not learned a defense for yet" But at the same time, you can what if all day long. Truth is, a student can be attacked and lose no matter what the level of training, none of us are unbeatable. And it's not just the old saying "there's always someone better" which is true, but a person can be beat or killed by someone who is not as good also. That is why the key to self-defense training is awareness and avoidance. Time for me to get to work, look forward to others views on this as well. Yours in Training, Alain ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 7:09:42 PST Subject: Re: the_dojang: Kim in TKD--How Long? > <<. . .Dr. Un Yong Kim for not being a Taekwon-Doin (which I think is > legitimate).>> > > Saayyyy. . .having read recently that Kim Un-yong was promoted to 7th dan, > and remembering that he originally was a bureaucrat and not a practitioner > of any martial art, I'm curious as to when (about or exactly) did he begin > studying TKD, and does anyone have the 411 on how long each level (dan) > took him to achieve? I don't think he ever did study TKD much. He is a business man. His VPs and other staff are those with the martial arts backgrounds. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 7:14:01 PST Subject: Re: the_dojang: Hapkido teaching... > As for a class curriculum, I don't teach them like this. I stay a lot closer > to the KHF curriculum. For one, I have the KHF manual to follow. Can you tell us more about the KHF manual, like where to get one? Is it only available in hangul? I have the videotapes the KHF markets, but a manual would be good, too. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 07:04:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #20 ******************************* It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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