From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #31 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 17 Jan 2000 Vol 07 : Num 031 In this issue: the_dojang: Dan and Don the_dojang: KHF Manual the_dojang: A welcome to a fellow Hai Dong Gumdo-in Re: the_dojang: KHF Manual, Holcombe? the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #27 [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~735 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, CA Taekwondo, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 20:06:47 EST Subject: the_dojang: Dan and Don Many Americans pronounce the a in dan, hapkido, etc. as a short "a" sound. A lot of people say I'm a 1st, 2nd etc. dan and pronounce it like the name Dan, or Danny. I hear a guy on the radio here promoting his Combat Hapkido class as Hapkido with the hap sounding like the beginning of happy. That short "a" sound. If you learn Korean, you will see what we romanize as "A" is pronounced more like "Ah" I am not a native Korean speaker, and I'm far from being as fluent as I will be in the future. But I do notice the mispronounciation of the "a" more than others because my fiance's last name is Ham. This is not pronounced like the ham you eat at breakfast with your eggs. And she does not care to be called "ham" like you eat. It's the same with dan, it's not dan as in Danny. Nor is it hap like in happy when you say hapkido. The other big one is Taekwondo. I just sort of cringe every time I hear Taekwondo pronounced like Tie that you wear around your neck. It is Tae which rymes with day, not Tae ryming with Tie. Billy Blanks didn't help with his Tie Bo (and yes, I spelled it that way since he says it that way. It should be tae bo sounding like day bo) Interestingly, on one of my language tapes, they say the English word and then the Korean. They have taekwondo on that tape. For English, they say the Tie kwon do, and then in Korean pronounce it Taekwondo. Anyway, that's just a little about the difficulties of putting Korean into English. Alain ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 00:38:57 EST Subject: the_dojang: KHF Manual In a message dated 1/11/00 8:09:38 AM Mountain Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Can you tell us more about the KHF manual, like where to get one? Is it only available in hangul? I have the videotapes the KHF markets, but a manual would be good, too. Ray Terry >> Ray, I can't tell you how to get one, sorry. As far as I know, you would have to go to the instructor's training in Seoul by the KHF. No, I have not attended the instructor's course in Seoul. (yet) but I was given a copy of this manual by my instructor in Korea so that I'd have something to help me here in the States. It is a grey book with the KHF emblem on the front. (pointing finger patch) There is an introduction by GM Oh Se Lim on the first page. It's 180 pages, and mostly pictures and explanation of the hoshinsul techniques up through 2nd dan. The pictures are not that clear, and it is entirely in Korean. It would not be that helpful unless you had already learned the techniques. It's good for me if I forget the sequence that the techniques are taught, or need a little mental jarring to remember. Why is the order important? It's not if all you care about is self-defense. But to teach, or to learn for testing, it is good to have a set order that the techniques are taught and tested on. Sorry I can't tell you more, but I don't know how you could get a copy. I'm fortunate that I was given one by my instructor. Can't wait till next year at this time, since I plan on going back next Xmas break from school. Yours in Training, Alain ------------------------------ From: "A. Boyd" Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 04:08:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: A welcome to a fellow Hai Dong Gumdo-in I would like to make it known that I am very glad to no longer be the only student of Hai Dong Gumdo on the Digest. Welcome! I would also like to make it known that I am doubly glad this gumdo-in is a fellow Canadian. Imagine that! As for weapons laws, my father-in-law, RCMP retired, has told me that there is nothing specific barring the ownership or practice use of a sword in Canada. Our weapons laws are very fluid but are being poorly amended as time passes. I would recommend contacting the gent Ray mentioned. I would also hope your instructor has an idea about this issue... ===== Anthony BT Boyd: Swordsman and English Teacher For illumination on this curious occupation please follow this link: http://victorian.fortunecity.com/operatic/739 ICQ#: 45348443 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 7:01:32 PST Subject: Re: the_dojang: KHF Manual, Holcombe? > I can't tell you how to get one, sorry. As far as I know, you would have to > go to the instructor's training in Seoul by the KHF. > > No, I have not attended the instructor's course in Seoul. (yet) but I was > given a copy of this manual by my instructor in Korea so that I'd have > something to help me here in the States. It is a grey book with the KHF > emblem on the front. (pointing finger patch) > > There is an introduction by GM Oh Se Lim on the first page. It's 180 pages, > and mostly pictures and explanation of the hoshinsul techniques up through > 2nd dan. The pictures are not that clear, and it is entirely in Korean. It > would not be that helpful unless you had already learned the techniques. > It's good for me if I forget the sequence that the techniques are taught, or > need a little mental jarring to remember. Holcombe, How does the KHF manual correspond to the video tapes from your instructor? Any relation at all? Just curious. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: IMATC@aol.com Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 10:09:13 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #27 In a message dated 1/15/00 10:56:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << I have been working on developing a different style of martial arts. but, I have a few questions that I need answers to. when I have completed this development of this style, not being a certified black belt in other styles, what must I do to certify this style that I have been working on? do I need to certify this system? >> This issue has always raised a red flag to many people. If you arethe creator of a "style" who is qualified to certify it? In my state of New Jersey, several attempts have been made to create a Board to check martial arts instructor "qualifications and art legitimacy. How is this possible. many attempts have been made on our part to police ourselves in order to keep political state paper pushers out of our DoJang/Dojo. I think that the best way for someoone commited as yourself is to produce good students with proper martial/moral philosophy. In a way, and DoJang can say they are teaching TaeKwon Do but every one has a different method of teaching form and self defense. They just choose to not change the name or title. Even further, the Kukkiwon demands certain MINIMUM requirements for rank and any other curriculum can be made by the instructor. So if a TKD instructor teached the TaeGuek forms but has a Grappling class, should he change the sign in the front? I would like to see that you have a mentor. Since you have been training for years, you must have an instructor that you look up to and can seek advice from. This way, his/hr endorsementcomes from recognized schools. just my opinion, of course. ace ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 07:20:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #31 ******************************* It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, CA Taekwondo, and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.