From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #34 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Tues, 18 Jan 2000 Vol 07 : Num 034 In this issue: the_dojang: spellings the_dojang: pronounciation differences the_dojang: Thank you. the_dojang: Kendo, Iaido and European Fencing Demo [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~735 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, CA Taekwondo, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Anthony or Clare Boyd" Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 00:24:56 +0900 Subject: the_dojang: spellings Well the whole tranliteration thing is really a mess. Depending on where you are from you are going to tend to affect a different spelling of words you hear without reading the hangul. You will also have biases based on what you think people will recognize where you are from. Simply transcribing based ona system is flawed from the point of view that the subject has to know that system. Case-in-point being the MR system which is not at all intuitive. The final problem is that Koreans choose their own official English spellings... and that is why I have the spelling of Hai Dong Gumdo the way I do. This is the official spelling choice of the World Hai Dong Gumdo Federation. My own preference would be Haedong Komdo ( nearly long a, short o, except for the o in do where it is long ). The smaller organization of Hanguk Haedong Kumdo uses a much better spelling than the WHDGF but what can you do? Anthony Boyd - Swordsman and Teacher http://victorian.fortunecity.com/operatic/739 ICQ# 45348443 ------------------------------ From: jsegovia@mindspring.com Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 10:36:46 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: pronounciation differences While I'm certainly not a fluent Korean speaker, I've lived there long enough to share a flinch with you when I hear the expressions 'tie kwahn do' and now 'tie bo.' I think the problem has to do with the romanization of the Korean dipthong ai or ae (the one that looks sort of like an H with a small circle in front). While the Korean 'ah' vowel is close to the English short A, and the Korean I (or E) sound is essentially the English long E, the concatenation of the Korean vowels 'ah' and 'i' to make the 'eh' sound is what doesn't survive the translation. If I see the letters 'ai' together, especially in an Asian language, I normally assume the sound is the same as that found in the word 'tie.' And in fact, this is the sound produced when the Korean vowels 'ah' and 'i' are used in sequence, as separate words or sounds, like the Korean word 'ai' or child. A similar problem occurs with the common Korean name Choi, which should be pronounced 'Cheh,' but since the English letters 'oi' together are normally pronounced 'oh-ee,' like the Korean word for cucumber, the name becomes Choy (and just about every Korean Choi I know in America tells everyone it is pronounced 'Choy'). Finally, like most non-Koreans I have trouble distinguishing between the two 'eh' sounds 'oe' and 'ai.' What I try to do is pronounce 'oe' as a simple 'eh' sound and 'ai' as a wider 'eh' sound, stretching my mouth wider and making the sound a little farther back in my throat. Jesse Kim Jones wrote: > I always wondered why the "Tae" was pronounced as "tie." < ------------------------------ From: JSJozokos@aol.com Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 11:01:17 EST Subject: the_dojang: Thank you. I would like to thank the many members of the Digest over the past 14 months that I have been a reader. I have not been posting much in the past months as I spent all my free time getting ready for my black belt test. I am glad to say that the hard work has paid off and I am a 1st dan of TKD. In the month since I have tested I have started over anew. There is so much more to learn. I don't know who first said it, but one of my favorite saying about becoming a black belt is "In the world of martial arts, black belt does not mean you mastered anyhting, but you have the foundation. Think of it as knowing your alphabet, but not being able to read yet." Unknown. I hope that I will be a greater part of the discussions now. The digest has been a valuable resource for me over the years. I only wish I found it as a white belt. Thank you to all the members, Past and Present. Jonathan Jozokos 1st Dan Black TKD ------------------------------ From: TaoArt@aol.com Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 16:31:11 EST Subject: the_dojang: Kendo, Iaido and European Fencing Demo On January 24th at 6:00 PM there will be a one hour Iaido (Japanese Swordsmanship), Kendo (Japanese Fencing) and European Fencing demonstration held at the Waltham Athletic Club by Guard Up, Inc. in Waltham, Massachusetts. Mr. David Harrison of the Boston Kendo Club, one of the highest ranking Kendo instructors in New England, and Mr. Barry Poitras of the Doshi Kai Dojo in Acton will be attending the demo with a number of their students. We will also have US Fencing Association instructors available for questions and quick lessons for any interested. Channel 7 NBC will be there as well as some other press agents. If you are planning on attending this free demonstration, please email or call me so that I may place your name on our guest list (so you don't have to pay the $14 daily fee). For directions to our facility, visit our website: www.guardup.com Hope to see you there! Meghan Gardner Director Guard Up, Inc. www.guardup.com (781) 271-1491 ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 13:44:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #34 ******************************* It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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