From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #43 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 21 Jan 2000 Vol 07 : Num 043 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #42 the_dojang: I could really use your advice the_dojang: Chung Suk Guhapdo the_dojang: Re: Hot Button Issue or Timely Topic ? the_dojang: Jin Pal Kim and Jackie Chan the_dojang: Re: Trivial Pursuit Question for the Day the_dojang: MA Movies the_dojang: Korean Pronunciations [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~745 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, CA Taekwondo, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dan Myers" Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 09:13:00 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #42 > From: jgriffin@netcom.com > Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 00:00:11 -0500 > Subject: the_dojang: I could really use your advice > ... > > The "problem": I am 6'4" and 215 lbs. My power tends to be very > good (particularly in roundhouse, back-kicks and skipping side- > kicks) but speed is only ok - nothing to write home about (for what > it's worth, my hand speed is way better than my foot speed). > Given the rules of engagement tend to nullify my strength and play > to my weakness I'm in a quandry as to what sort of strategy to use. Being that I am 5'11" 230lbs I know where you are coming from. For me, I have found W.T.F. sparring is not my game. I am too slow to go against any one with "real skill". So, I go into each match with the attitude that I will win this match. I don't by points mind you. But I take home a personal victory. I don't watch the points. I watch my opponet, I look for an opening to attack from. I work on timing my counters. I improve my self and with each experience I take something from it. No, I should state, that I enjoy TKD and I stay with my school because I enjoy the art, the people, the workout, teaching the kids. My real love is in shootfighting and I use TKD sparring as one way to improve my shoot game. Myself, in the sparring game, I have to be a counter-attacker. I am too slow. - -DM > >Just curious... > >Anyone out there working on integrating the 'hooks' of catch/submisson > >wrestling into the ground-work portion of your training program?> > > Response: A timely question. I just received a flyer in the mail from > World Martial Arts, 800-682-9842. They sell a video series by Tony Cecchine > entitled "Catch Wrestling". Several video topics include: > > a. Ground control. > b. Arm Manipulations. > c. Neck Manipulations. > d. Leg Locks. > e. Hooking Combinations. > > I am unable to comment on the quality of the videos. > I believe Tony has 10 tapes, and you can probably get them cheaper directly from Tony @ catchhookr@aol.com Here is a testimonial to Tony from my submission fighting coach. What impressed me even more then the breath and depth of Tony's skills is the fact that he is so good people will gladly train in conditions that would need to take a big step up to be called Spartan. The first time I went I received a welt on my head from a metal door, a bone bruise from slamming into a metal furnace and more abrasions from the concrete floor then I care to remember. Two days later I came back for more. If this guy had a gym with 1500 sq feet of sprung floor and all the amenities that many martial arts gyms have I would like to think Tony would have 200 students. But the truth is he would still only have a hand full of disciples - because only true fighters could hang with these guys. Hard core training separates the serious from the curious real fast. If you think your a grappler you need to meet this guy. Tony's website is here: http://members.tripod.com/~catchwrestling/index.htm ------------------------------ From: jnk@iol.ie Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 16:18:12 +0000 Subject: the_dojang: I could really use your advice Surely it all depends on the individuals you are fighting? You will need a different strategy for each individual fight, depending on the physical characteristics and fighting style of your opponent. My point is if you are faced with an opponent who is 6'4" and 300lbs, your slight lack of speed may not be an issue?? May I wish you the best of luck. David TKD Student From: jgriffin@netcom.com Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 00:00:11 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: I could really use your advice Therefore, I call upon the vast number of years of combined experience in the group here. With the stated facts, what strategy would you use if you were me? ------------------------------ From: HKDTodd@aol.com Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 11:43:34 EST Subject: the_dojang: Chung Suk Guhapdo Chung Suk - Blue Stone, Guhapdo or Kuhapdo - "Quick display sword" My web site is not finished yet but my GM in Korea does have a web page. Jung Ki Kwan ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 08:47:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: Hot Button Issue or Timely Topic ? On the Dojang Digest, Mr. Baldwin noted the following regarding grappling techniques: - ------------------------------ Response: Depending on your perspective this could be either a "Hot Button" issue or an area for mutual exchange of ideas. Case in point. On another list a close associate advocated the need to incorporate "Cross Training" into your Base Art. The position was that it is important to have your base art, re: TKD, Hapkido, Tang Soo Do, and so forth. However, once you reach a certain level it is wise to also explore other arts and incorporate cross training into your training regimen. The caveat was that this is solely up to the respective individual. The resulting outcry by one list moderator, and his rapid supporters, was staunch opposition to this position. What is your perspective on this ? In my case, my tender youthful years are fading fast. While I admire TKD competition there is no way I can compete, maintain a career, raise a family, and go to school. Hence, sport competition is not my particular bag. Therefore, I look to other training modalities and what I hope to attain from my training. Living in urban environments causes me to look at the self-defense aspect of martial arts and that is why I would choose Hapkido over TKD. Personal preference and not disrespect to another art. In sum, I do not want to become a BJJ expert. However, I hate going to the ground and I realize I am weak in that area. Should I not work on grappling techniques to supplement my Hapkido or Tang Soo Do training ? Also, should I be aware of defense techniques to ward off those thugs and streetfighters who would primarily employ tackling and charging techniques. In these cases, I do not believe that the use of TKD style kicks would be effective. So, is cross training a reasonable perspective to incorporate into your training regimen ? Thanks. McD... Irish Saying: Would you like a potatoe with that bowl of pasta ? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: JEREMYT@ATFI.COM (JeremyT) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 10:47:33 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Jin Pal Kim and Jackie Chan Yes Jackie Chan was trained by Jin Pal Kim. His Kung Fu comes from the opera house he grew up in. I am not sure who is TKD or boxing instructors were. Jeremy MACS ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 08:51:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: Trivial Pursuit Question for the Day Instead of a "Quote of the Day", why not a trivial pursuit question of the day ? Example 1. Easy one= "Adrian, I did it !" Example 2. Semi-easy one= "Invest in Condominiums ? Sorry, I don't use them?" Example 3. Little more difficult= "Show us Dim Mak !...Wait...Bottom One !" Have fun. McD... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "Christopher Spiller" Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 09:12:57 PST Subject: the_dojang: MA Movies As long as people are talking about martial arts in the movies I HAVE GOT to suggest that you see "Fist of Legend" staring Jet Li. It's billed as his homage to Bruce Lee's "Fists of Fury" and is great. The story line is very similar to FofF - Chinese martial artists fight Japanese occupiers after their Sifu is killed. The action is awesome and there's even a Japanese karate master named "Funakoshi." Jet Li is unbelievable fast. It seems to me that, despite all of the talk in the movie about Chinese vs. Japanese MA's all of the kicking techniques are Taekwon-Doesque ;). Chinese with english subtitles but totally worth it. Taekwon, Chris "Every experience of beauty points to infinity." Hans Urs von Balthasar ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: David Weller Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 10:59:04 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Korean Pronunciations You know, it's funny how we get all tangled up in pronunciations and the like of languages which are not native to us, yet we can sit by and watch the English language be butchered every day. (I do, however, realize that many of the fine folks here are not native english speakers and many others who are, are also fluent or semi-fluent in Korean and other languages and thus have a much deeper appreciation of the nuances of language than a poor dumb hick from Kansas who says "ain't " every day. I do not want to appear lingustically prejudiced, but I can only speak from my point of view, odd or weird as that may be.) A funny incident comes to mind that IMHO has a bit of pertinence here. When I was visiting Louisville, KY for a convention a few years back there were people from all over the US and Canada attending and there was quite a mix of native English speakers there; from tried and true Yankees, to down home country boys from Alabama, to Canadians who ended every sentence with "eh". Well, the folks from most of the country pronounced "louisville" as "looey-ville", or "loo-a-ville" the folks from KY and that area said "Lull-vulle", but everyone there had to chuckle when our Canadian friends pronounced it "loois-ville" (just the way it looks and probably the "correct" pronunciation). My point being, what's the use of arguing over pronunciations when it is fairly obvious to other English speakers what you are trying to convey. (((Another example is the Arkansas River. In Kansas it's the "Ar-Kansas", every where else in the civilized world it's the "Ar-can-saw", like the state. But rue to you if you pronounce it the wrong way in this fair state, yet no one in kansas pronounces Arkansas (the state) like we pronounce Arkansas (the river) ... Go figure..))) If I tried to get all my Texan friends to knock it off with the "yawls" I'd never get a thing done. If we speak a "different" Korean "dialect" in our Dojang that is at least intelligible to other practioners then I see no reason to agonize over minor pronunciation differences. I enjoy seeing the "correct" pronunciations, and certainly try to incorporate them when possible, but I'd rather not offend one of the higher belts I look up to in every way by correcting them on a minor point, or speaking a term differently than the common usage in my Dojang just because it is techincally "correct". Of course this is MHO, and subject to correction, modification or total annihilation. I really enjoy the Dojang digest, it's a great way to keep abreast of what's new (or old) in an art I have come to love. And to the gentleman who recently became 1st dan (dohn? don? dahn?),... My congratulations! As a "new" (10-24-98) 1st dan myself I can appreciate the thrill you are experiencing and the new world that has been opened up to you. My Master told me when I began studying that Black Belt was a "new Beginning" just as a white belt is, but I didn't really understand what he meant until I had been there. At the start of my studies it seemed like black belt was the goal, but now I realize the goal has little to do with belts, and stripes, and such. It is not even something you can name, but something inside that wants out, and training is a way to open that door. Then again, at second dan I may have an entirely different viewpoint, and so on and so on, and so it goes ..... Thanks, Dave Weller (pronounced Well-er) (1st Dan, WTF TKD) ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 09:20:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #43 ******************************* It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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