From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #61 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 28 Jan 2000 Vol 07 : Num 061 In this issue: the_dojang: Highlights of Training in Korea the_dojang: A Question of Promotion the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #60 the_dojang: Re:Re: Where do you train in the DC area ? the_dojang: Re: Ho Shin Sul and Silat the_dojang: Brown Eagles in Hapkido the_dojang: The mats [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~755 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, CA Taekwondo, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles Buhs Date: Thu, 27 Jan 1972 17:31:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: the_dojang: Highlights of Training in Korea In between sessions of stoking the fire here on the east coast (of the U.S.), I've managed to complete the web site for "Korea 1999: Martial Arts Training and Cultural Excursion" at http://www.ucmap.org/bbs/Events/Korea/99/index.html This summary provides the highlights of all the excitment at the "International Martial Arts Summer Camp" hosted by Yong-In University last August. The program provided lots of training in taekwondo and hankido with additional training in judo and kumdo. The group also tried tsirum, kuksoondo, and hanrobics. The program included some siteseeing as well as lots of demonstrations by the students. If you're curious about what training in Korea is like, check this out. Chuck Buhs Washington DC ------------------------------ From: "Brian Woodard" Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 17:00:36 CST Subject: the_dojang: A Question of Promotion Hello everyone! My name is Brian and this is my first posting on the Dojang Digest; however I have been reading eagerly for several months. Recently we just completed our promotional testing with our Grandmaster Chae Sun Yi. We got Our results back and I passed to 5th Gup! It was a blast! However there was one student who went from 7th to 5th in one testing. He is truely a gifted athlete, however technically he will not have to test on his 6th gup form. Our local master instructor told me he has seen very few students skip a ranking without any previous MA experience. He also says it is a great honor to recieve such a promotion. I would love to impress Master Yi enough to get a jump in ranking. However, if I did, I would have an inner struggle on my hands. I love the hardwork it takes to progress in my MA. The thought of missing the experience of developing at that ranking and working through the form would take away from the enjoyment of skipping a ranking. What are some of your feelings about promoting students to higher ranks that what they are testing? Is this common place at your Dojang? Brian Woodard 5th Gup TTA ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Diam7@aol.com Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 18:34:33 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #60 I am associated with a martial arts academy in North Carolina. We are interested in finding some competitions for our demonstration team. Is anyone aware of any in or around the area? We do not mind travel. Thank you diam7@hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "David A. Hacker" Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 21:03:55 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re:Re: Where do you train in the DC area ? We run our classes out of the Fairfax County Rec Centers (Wakefield Branch specifically), on Wednesday Evenings, and Saturday mornings to early afternoons. Black Belt classes are held in a space we rent from a church in Burke on Monday evenings. Dave Hacker From: Ken McDonough Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 08:44:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: Where do you train in the DC area ? Dave Hacker stated: Response: Where exactly do you train in the DC area. Thanks, Ken McD... ------------------------------ From: WEE Shin Hoe Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 01:00:58 +0800 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Ho Shin Sul and Silat > From: Ray Terry > Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 14:59:45 PST > Subject: Re: the_dojang: Introduce Yourself > > > Learned WTF Taekwon-Do and got a fist dan blackbelt. Now studying > > Hapkido and Ho Shin Sul under Korea Martial Arts Association - South > > East Asia-Pacific chapter headed by Dr. Julian Lim. Our teacher is > > Master Jong (6th dan in Taekwon-do, Hapkido and Ho Shin Sul). > > How does your school distinguish between Hapkido and Hoshinsul? > > > By the way, this is a great place to be if you are interested in Silat. > > The original, brutal and unsanitized types. > > Yes, tell us more. I love Eskrima, and Silat is somewhat similar to it. > Are silat schools popular there or is it more like it is here in the States > where it is a bit underground? > > Ray Terry > raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Dear Ray, We follow the Korea Hapkido Association's system for our Hapkido. As for our Hoshinsul, there might be a slight deviation from the standard Hoshinsul as our Master has quite a lot of experiences in street combat and fighting with people from various martial art styles during his younger days. A couple of years back, he dropped 7 thugs in less than 10 minutes in a local "coffee shop". As the news spreads it becomes 16 guys in 5 minutes (maybe by next year, it will be 20 guys in five seconds). It was a shock to most people as we are in a small town where everybody know everybody else. And he is normally a humble, gentle and soft spoken fellow. Okay, back to your question. The Hapkido we learned, I guess, will be the same as the rest of you guys. However, the Hoshinsul we learned consists series of rapid-fired smooth flow of mutiple strikes to the soft targets, followed by breakings or throwings. All design to neutralize the threat under 10 seconds. No fancy stuff, no take-downs and lockings. An example of our typical defence against right punch will be inner conter-clockwise circular block with your left hand striking the oponent's right bicep with backfist, right back-hand strikes to opponent's face followed by left palm upward stike to the jaw, right elbow to the left temple and right backfist to the face as you pull your right hand back, left upper cut to solar plexus, knee strikes to groin and face with both hands pulling oponent head down and followed by your favourite Hapkido breaking or throwing technigues. All these techniques are designed in such a way that once it starts, it gives very little opportunity for the opponent to counter-attack. We are taught the following rules; 1. Always assumed that there will be more than one attacker. 2. Your life will be in danger if you have to spend more than 10 seconds with a single attacker to neutralize him. 3. When attacked by multiple opponents, not more than three can effectively acttack at the same time. 4. Before you attacked, always distract your opponent by throwing something at his face, e.g. water, glass, pens etc. As for Silats, there are two main types practised here. The "Silat Olahraga" or Sport Silat is practised in most Malay schools under government sanctions, and the traditional Silats. The traditional Silats are not exactly preactised underground. However, as most of the Gurus are more concerned about the moral aspect of their students than the economical aspect, they do not advertise. You have to sought them out, and there are certain criteria you have to meet before being accepted. Most of the trainings are conducted in backyards or "Kampungs" (Malay Villages). And you practise without any protection gears. I heard that some of the schools use real weapons in trainings. There is an old Iban master in the interior region teaching a style he called Iban Kuntau. I notice that there are two different version of Silats. One will be the typical types that you can find all over US. The other involves asistance from some "magic" or "divine" power. They will start by reciting some mantras or verses from Holy Quran and enter a state of trance. After that they seem to be able to move at astonishing speed and oblivious to pain. I have seen some able to take powerful strikes to throat and chest without any apparent damage. Wee shinhoe@pc.jaring.my ------------------------------ From: burdickd Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 08:23:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: the_dojang: Brown Eagles in Hapkido Somebody mentioned changing the eagle color in hapkido. The US Hapkido Federation has done this several years ago, and uses a brown eagle to represent a young eagle that is still learning. Yours in the arts, Dakin Burdick burdickd@indiana.edu ------------------------------ From: "Tomlinson, Michael E." Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 08:35:53 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: The mats I tested for my 3rd Dan with Master Whalen and Master McCarty up in Quincy Mass a while ago and I can attest to the fact that the mats at Master Whalens school have a "mind of their own". My testing lasted approximately 2 hours and within the first 15 minutes of the test I tore the tendon in my foot that attaches the second toe to the foot! I was doing back spinning heel kicks and as my foot rotated on the mat my toes dug in and didn't move. After hearing a loud pop I remember looking down at my toe and thinking, well, I can't stop now, just zone out and go, go, go. I took the injury as just one more part of my test,, as Master Y.J. Chung used to tell me many years ago,"sometimes you just have to eat the pain like it was rice." After the test was over a lot of the Moo Ye Kwan guys looked at my swollen and purple foot and said "yeah that looks familiar, and they all had a foot or leg story to share with me. I have fell on lots of mats in my days but I must also say that after that day I actually had big bruises under my arms on my rib cage from the concussion. Let me tell you, if you get used to taking falls and kicking on those mats then you develop an attitude of being able to fall and kick anywhere at anytime,,, ask Timmy Walsh,, he was weaned on this mat and is as tough as nails when he falls. Personally I think that this mat should be shipped to the Hapkido Hall of Fame in Korea after everyone who has ripped something, tore something, broke something or sprained something has autographed it!! Michael Tomlinson ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 06:51:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #61 ******************************* It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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