From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #72 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 2 Feb 2000 Vol 07 : Num 072 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: Quote to consider the_dojang: Fw: striking the_dojang: re: quote to consider the_dojang: stretching article the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #49 the_dojang: HMD vs. HKD ? [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~755 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, CA Taekwondo, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dbuehrer@carl.org Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 08:30:02 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Quote to consider >From: ABurrese@aol.com > >I got this from my friend Marc. Think about it... > >This came from an Orson Scott Card book "Ender's Game" it is exactly why I >have so much trouble with most so-called "self-defense" training -- it >doesn't take this raw reality into consideration > >"I am your enemy, the first one you've ever had who was smarter than you. >There is no teacher but the enemy. No one but the enemy will tell you what >the enemy is going to do. No one but the enemy will ever teach you how to >destroy and conquer. Only the enemy will show you were you are weak. Only the >enemy tells you where he is strong. And the rules of the game are what you >can do to him and what you can stop him from doing to you" Ender's Game is a great book (one of my all time favorites :) but this quote is a little misdirecting when taken out of context. With regards to "raw reality" :) I would change it a little bit. "There is no teacher but life." IMO, you are living life every moment, whether it's in the Dojang or not. A self defense class is as raw as a bar fight. The only difference is that the self defence class is a little safer :) True, a self defence class is not the same as being confronted by a real attack. But a self-defence class shouldn't be discounted because of that. A self defence class can increase a person's awareness of his environment and himself. IMHO that's a good thing. To Life, - -David Buehrer 6th Gup, Hapkido http://www.users.uswest.net/~abaker3 - -- "There is no wealth but life." - -John Ruskin ------------------------------ From: "hkdhal" Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 11:10:10 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: Fw: striking Subject: striking > If you are in an actual street situation you have and are at a slight > disadvantage,The element of surprise is a two way street not only to the > defender also to the attacker.Is your attacker alone?Does he have a > weapon?What are the conditions?What are your surroundings?All of these > factors come into play while defending yourself.Does your attacker stalk > before he strikes indicating he is more cautious?Could be this is his > element and he would be more at home fighting here with possible routes for > "E and E" there is more to a fight than I only use a joint lock anything > else is not Hapkido attitude,If I kick out your leg while I am Jointlocking > you helping you become one with the pavement I am doing this not because I > do not have confidence in my Jointlocking capabilities, It is because I do > not know if my attacker is alone and I want to get out as fast as possible > without tying myself up by committing the use of both hands to a Jointlock > while my attacker pulls a knife and guts me. > While in the military I learned many things about urban,or unconventional > guerilla warfare and the thing that sticks out is that in order to blow a > bridge or a building I will use less of a charge and cause more damage to > attack the support or base of a structure making it easier to collapse a > kick or a strike will help assist in this endeavor. I hope I made point > clear a real fight is not fantasy and I have had real fights against real > attackers in this country and others have kicked punched ,Jointlocked > Thrown what ever had to be done.To me Hapkido is not the latest fad nor do I > teach four or five martial Arts"I was Hapkido before it was Cool " > > Hal Whalen > > > > Once we discover a common ground, the walls of difference begin to fall. ------------------------------ From: Laura Kamienski Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 12:12:38 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: re: quote to consider Alain Burrese wrote: > > I got this from my friend Marc. Think about it.... > > This came from an Orson Scott Card book "Ender's Game" it is exactly why I > have so much trouble with most so-called "self-defense" training -- it > doesn't take this raw reality into consideration > > "I am your enemy, the first one you've ever had who was smarter than you. > There is no teacher but the enemy. No one but the enemy will tell you what > the enemy is going to do. No one but the enemy will ever teach you how to > destroy and conquer. Only the enemy will show you were you are weak. Only the > enemy tells you where he is strong. And the rules of the game are what you > can do to him and what you can stop him from doing to you" Alain, What do _you_ think trouble with them? By asking us to consider this quote, are you asserting that learning only certain aspects self defense, such as awareness techniques, is not valuable? It refers to 'most so-called self defense training.' Which programs don't you have trouble with and why? What are the differences? How do you propose we prepare people, who are frightened by SD training as described by this quotation, to take such a class? Laura - -- lkamiens@ptd.net lkamnski@bucknell.edu http://home.switchboard.com/LKamienski ____________________________________________________ "The destination is not the purpose of a journey; death is not the purpose of life." -Thich Nhat Hanh ____________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: Gregory Giddins Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 10:21:24 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: stretching article Interesting article about stretching from the Seattle Post Intelligencer: If anyone cannot open up the site I can email a Word or email text format to you, send me an emaill. Study Questions The Benefits Of Stretching (Seattle Post-Intelligencer) - Double-knot your running shoes, drink water and stretch - that's the long-recommended routine to start an injury-free workout. http://www.intelihealth.com/enews?267074 Greg Giddins Loronix Information Systems, Inc. Accounting Dept. gregoryg@loronix.com "Most people have no idea of the giant capacity we can immediately command when we focus all of our resources on mastering a single area of our lives." - Anthony Robbins ------------------------------ From: SunBiNim@aol.com Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 14:41:20 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #49 In a message dated 1/23/00 11:34:09 PM Central Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Which style, what rank, time in the art, school(s) at which you learn or run, what you like most about it, etc? >> Han Mu Do (5th dan), Hapkido (2nd dan), Kuk Sool (1st dan), Kukki Taekwondo (1st dan), Yudo (no rank, just sore body). Started training with Do Ju Nim Kimm, He-young in 1982 after a brief stint in karate in early 70's. (Thanks to "Billy Jack") I moved back to my home town in Mississippi a couple of years ago and I now own and operate Academy of Korean Martial Arts. I have a hundred students and more fun teaching Han Mu Do than anyone has a right to have. I love Hapkido because of the...well, pain. I had an opportunity to work under Do Ju Nim Ji recently, and what fun. I love Kuk Sool because of the forms. I think it is a beautiful art. I love Taekwondo because of the power, footwork, and precision. Even though I study Kukki TKD, I also admire the ITF style. I love Yudo because it is a true martial art in every sense of the word. Soft? Only when necessary. I still train with Do Ju Nim Kimm every chance I have and love Han Mu Do most of all. Why? Because there is so much there from the other arts. Do Ju Nim is still studying, training, and learning, and every time he learns something new, he shows us. He brings in Grandmasters from other styles to train his students. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 12:08:23 PST Subject: the_dojang: HMD vs. HKD ? > Han Mu Do (5th dan), Hapkido (2nd dan), Kuk Sool (1st dan), Kukki Taekwondo > (1st dan), Yudo (no rank, just sore body). Started training with Do Ju Nim > Kimm, He-young in 1982 after a brief stint in karate in early 70's. (Thanks > to "Billy Jack") How do you classify the diffs between HapKiDo and Dr. Kimm's HanMuDo? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 11:54:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #72 ******************************* It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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