From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #75 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Thur, 3 Feb 2000 Vol 07 : Num 075 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #71 the_dojang: Re: V7 #73: Stretching the_dojang: Fwd: N.A.GA. presents the JBA Submission Challenge! the_dojang: U.S. Open Webcast the_dojang: Re: Stretching the_dojang: Thoughts on Recent Posts [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~755 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, CA Taekwondo, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Donley Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 09:51:33 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #71 >From: ABurrese@aol.com >Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 01:23:56 EST >Subject: the_dojang: Quote to consider > >I got this from my friend Marc. Think about it... > >This came from an Orson Scott Card book "Ender's Game" it is exactly why I >have so much trouble with most so-called "self-defense" training -- it >doesn't take this raw reality into consideration > >"I am your enemy, the first one you've ever had who was smarter than you. >There is no teacher but the enemy. No one but the enemy will tell you what >the enemy is going to do. No one but the enemy will ever teach you how to >destroy and conquer. Only the enemy will show you were you are weak. Only the >enemy tells you where he is strong. And the rules of the game are what you >can do to him and what you can stop him from doing to you" After pondering quote and Alain's comment I find myself in a position where I believe I know where Alain is coming from. Alain, please correct me if I'm wrong. After two years of practicing Tae Kwon Do I was awarded my first Dan on January 22, 2000 by GM Kim, Soon Chul. Testing was done back in November in front of a panel of three additional Korean GMs. I have never participated in a Tournament. I have done lots of sparring in class but have only done full contact sparring on three occasions. I know 34 forms and can apply combinations and strategies from them. I can break 2x10s with punch or kick. When we are awarded out Black Belts we are expected to be able to defeat an untrained, unarmed opponednt 100% of the time. However, do I know that I can sucessfully defend myself against a random person off the street? No, I don't know. I do know that if it comes down to it I will give best effort to extricate myself from the situation or defend myself. I know how I compare to my peers within my school and that four GMs deem me worthy of wearing a Black Belt. I have been prepared and have trained to earn a Black Belt within our curriculum. As I see it, Alain's point is that until we step out of the curriculum, the safe controlled environment which we learn in, we are limited in what we learn. Only when confronted and have to reach beyond what we have been taught can we learn where our individual limits are. Can we go beyond the theoretical to the practical application, can we glean a previously unknown strategy or technique out of confrontation. Only by facing "the enemy" in a no rules confrontation can we learn what our real limits and capabilities are. In summary, if something advertises itself to be able to train you to defend yourself in all situations, we must take that with a grain of salt as there will always be someone bigger, stronger, better trained, not having a bad hair day, etc. on any given day, in any given place. A seminar or class can teach you the curriculum. Only by continually pushing the envelope then pushing it again and again and again will we consistantly be able to defend ourselves from "the enemy". jd Jim Donley 1st Dan USA Tae Kwon Do Black Belt Center Evanston, IL www.enteract.com/~jrdonley/tkd/index.html "Accept the challenges so that you may feel the exhilaration of victory." --George S. Patton ------------------------------ From: samiller@Bix.Com Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 11:16:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: V7 #73: Stretching Well, the article doesn't precisely define what is meant by stretching, but from the context I would assume it's "passive stretching". And what the article refers to as "warming up" could reasonably be equated to "dynamic stretching". So one summation of the article might be: "dynamic stretching (warm up) before a workout, passive stretching after". If so it wouldn't be new advice, this is very similar to what Tom Kurz ("Scientific Stretching") has been recommending for years. Cliff Vaught wrote: >questions the benefit of stretching. I >personally can't imagine training without stretching so I put it up to the >forum. === Tang Soo! Scott ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 08:54:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Fwd: N.A.GA. presents the JBA Submission Challenge! Forwarded for your review, if interested. McD... - --- mailer@submissionfighting.com wrote: > From: mailer@submissionfighting.com > To: maganda44@yahoo.com > Subject: N.A.GA. presents the JBA Submission Challenge! > Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 19:41:01 -0500 > > > JBA Submission Challenge w/ Rodrigo Gracie vs. Robert Ferguson Superfight > > Somerset, MA - The North American Grappling Association (NAGA) in > conjunction with Don Banville's JBA Jiu-Jitsu present the 1999 JBA > Submission Challenge featuring a superfight between Rodrigo Gracie and > Robert Ferguson. The event will be held Saturday, February 19th at North > E. School in Somerset, Massachusetts. With over 42 Gi & No-Gi (Kids, Teen, > Women, Senior & Adult) Grappling Divisions this will be one of the largest > Submission Tournaments in North America. To register your Submission > Fighting Team, Superfight or Amateur Competitors please contact Don Banville > at (508) 673-5688 or email DHBJRII@AOL.COM visit our website > www.negrapple.com. > > The 1999 JBA SUBMISSION CHALLENGE is the first grappling tournament in a > series of seven from the North American Grappling Association to determine > who are the best grapplers in North America. > > SUPERFIGHTS: > RODRIGO GRACIE (1998 Abu Dhabi Champion) Vs. ROBERT FERGUSON(Prince of > Leglocks) > ED APICELLA (1998 NAGC Champion) Vs. KEN KRONENBERG(1998 NAGA Superfight > Champion) > LIANE VIRVILLE (1999 NAGA Women's Champion) Vs. KATIE SILVA(1999 NAGC > Women's Gi Champion) > > WORLD EXTREME FIGHTING: > Jamie Levine will be at this event scouting talent for his upcoming April > NHB Show. The WEF took 3 fighters from the last NAGA tournament to > compete in January's show! > > 1999 NAGA AWARDS CEREMONY: > We will be holding a ceremony at the JBA Challenge to recognize the > tremendous achievements of the top 10 Competitors who accumulated points > throughout the year to achieve their North American ranking titles for their > specific division these fighters. At the tournament, they will receive > their North American Top 10 certificate. The Men's Advanced winners will be > taking home their Championship Belts and all 1st Place finishers will be > taking home a limited distribution, custom designed long sleeve shirt for > their hard work! > > All of your favorite grappling vendors such as World Martial Arts, Bad Boy, > SubmissionFighting.com will be there selling products, we will also have > $3,000 of grappling products to raffle off and a free submission gift to > the first 1,000 people through the door - So be there! ------------------------------ From: Gregg London Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 12:28:32 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: U.S. Open Webcast Greetings from Hawaii, The U.S. Open will broadcast LIVE at http://www.teknousa.com Enjoy, Gregg London - -- Gregg London Digital Engineer http://www.glondon.com ------------------------------ From: sarah@home-school.com (Sarah Pride) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 11:48:36 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Stretching I've learned a lot of stretching stuff since beginning martial arts. And I can sympathize with Daniel. I got a bunch of strange looks as I did 50 jumping jacks before beginning to stretch. :) Then I learned to do both the jumping jacks and the stretching at home before coming to class - boy is everyone surprised at how far I can stretch 'cold' in class while we're all stretching out. :) Oh yes, plus I can practically almost do splits now, though I'm not in any real hurry to get down the last few inches. - -Sarah Pride- ------------------------------ From: David Weller Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 13:05:14 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Thoughts on Recent Posts Some thoughts on some recent posts. 1. My apologies to Laura Kamienski for the actions of Bill Wallace. Since he is obviously too enthralled with himself to see himself, I will apologize for him, and for men in general ( there is a tendency towards piggishness in our species, which if we are not to appear so, we must battle diligently.) Don't let the actions of this creep deter you in your studies of the martial arts. For every jerk like him there are 100 (or more) that are courteous, respectful and decent. Take the good, throw the rest away. 2. Concerning the 1st dan belt promotion written about in Vol 7 #63. WOW. I thought (1st dan test at age 43) that an hour or so was going to kill me. I know for certain that 6 hours would have been the end of me. I REALLY \admire those students. What fortitude they must have. I am curious if this is a common length for black belt testing? Again my hat is off to those dedicated students and their obviously sadistic ;) teachers. 3. I am teaching a short TKD/self defense class to a group of 10 and under (mostly under) children twice a week. Any SIMPLE self defense techniques you might reccomend for that age group?? Of course my master instructor has given me many ideas, but I thought it would be interesting to tap into this HUGE pool of knowledge. 4. There was a thread going about the efficacy of self defense training in the "real" world. I guess I would rather have SOME self defense training in the event of an attack by bad guy(s) than NONE. Sure, there is no way to simulate accurately in a class situation a "real" attack by "real" bad guys, but I am glad of the training I have had in self defense, and although it might not do a bit of good, at least I have the confidence to try SOMETHING. That, IMHO, is better than dying without a fight. 5. I have trained in WTF TKD poomse (taeguek and palgwe forms). I have books and videos that show those forms in good detail (and of course I have he best sort of instruction there is, person to person from my teachers). However, we had a young blackbelt trained in ITF styles that trained in our dojang for a while and I was impressed with the ITF poomse. I found,in a dark corner of my library, a book on ITF poomse and have been attempting to learn them. But trying to learn from a book is frustrating and I can see many chances to learn something that is completely incorrect. So, I am wondering if someone might be able to reccommend a good video on ITF forms. I am only learning them to satisfy myself, not to attain any ITF ranking, or for competition. Just for FUN !!! I enjoy practicing forms, and would like to add a little variety to my life. I also have begun learning Wu (Chien Chuan) syle Tai Chi, I find the soft style relaxing and pleasant to practice (I also know it's off topic on this forum, so I'll shut up). Thanks for listening, Dave Weller 1st Dan WTF TKD "Practice a thousand hours and you learn self discipline. Practice ten thousand hours and you learn about yourself." Myamoto Musashi ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 12:52:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #75 ******************************* It's a great day for Taekwondo! 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