From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #76 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 4 Feb 2000 Vol 07 : Num 076 In this issue: the_dojang: Fw: Female Martial Artists the_dojang: ITF Pattern tapes the_dojang: Black Belt testing the_dojang: re:dojang digest #75/#71 the_dojang: Re: Scientific Stretching by Thomas Kurz the_dojang: Re: ustu champs the_dojang: Korean Language Village the_dojang: Re: ITF Forms video the_dojang: Happy Lunar New Year! the_dojang: Re: Thoughts on Recent Posts the_dojang: Re: V7 #75: various the_dojang: Re: V7 #75: Stretching the_dojang: the quote [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~755 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, CA Taekwondo, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "hkdhal" Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 16:46:33 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: Fw: Female Martial Artists This letter was sent tome from a student I think she may be of some value to the list Subject: Female Martial Artists > I am a new member to several boards and would like to add my comments > regarding women in the martial arts. I am a 38 year old of slight build and > stature studying the martial arts for 5+ years. I started in kempo when a > friend started teaching classes at a local gym after a ten year break in > martial arts himself. I was determined to challenge myself by completing the > healing process ten years after a failed marriage which included verbal, > physical abuse and a stint at a women's abuse shelter. Imagine trying to rent > an apartment under an assumed name with black eyes, broken nose etc... I was > hard on myself for not "fighting back" and would never "do nothing" to defend > myself again. > Anyway, I learned the basics and moved onto self defense techniques, wrist > grabs, chokes and sparring. It was very hard for me just to get thru these > classes (too many memories). Yet I specifically sought out the male members > of the class to work thru techniques. I found that working with the guys > made more sense for me and no one was going to politely take a punch or take > down unless I was correctly executing the technique. I attended every class > offered and volunteered to assist in the teaching of the newly formed kids > classes. I excelled at forms & weapons but sparring was always a challenge > for me. I felt that I was either going thru the motions like drills or > losing my cool trying to feel instantly aggressive against someone I didn't > feel "mad" at. Slowly I worked thru this and improved. > As I progressed thru the ranks, I had a lot of injuries. My short list > probably looks somewhat like all of you out there. ( Broken fingers, toes, > ribs, teeth biting thru lower lip [with a mouth piece in no less), and the > full knock out from an axe kick from the forehead to the temple to collar > bone.) I competed at endless tournaments and won nationals two consecutive > years in forms, weapons, & sparring. > Now I felt ready to go for my brown belt. This was a most revealing > endeavor. As I accepted my promotion awarded at our annual banquet, I > sincerely thanked every person from the youngest five year old white belt to > the senior ranks, coaches and my instructor. Some knew my past and it was a > proud night. I had gone farther than I'd ever set out...Or so I thought. > My accomplishment was quickly soured when I learned that the instructor > had conducted a review of my progress and eligibility for promotion with > other male senior ranks prior to the promotion. The review did not focus on > my hard work, determination, strengths or areas needing improvement, instead > he discussed my potential ability to give a good b.... job! This discussion > occurred on school premises, with all in uniform fully belted up. > Other factors also arose during this time which included spending a week > in the hospital with a badly damaged kidney. ( I am now forever barred by > decision of doctor's instructions from ever sparring again.) This was > directly or indirectly caused from working round house knees (no gear) with > the instructor the previous week. > It is interesting to note that during my hospital stay, no one at the school > was told how sick I was by my instructor. After over a month of recovery and > nerve damage in my back I returned to the school. Pretty much the attitude I > received was that I was useless since I couldn't spar and would never achieve > black belt. > I was being written off. > > So this brown belt who helped the instructor whom I had known for 20 > years and his wife (an accomplished martial artist herself) build their > business, taught the kids classes for free for three years while paying full > tuition, tournaments, equipment etc. > Left the school after almost five years. > > I am know studying Hap Ki Do with Master Whelan and his students who are > familiar with the situation and have graciously accepted me as a new student. > They encourage me without hesitation. I look forward to each class of > hands-on self defense techniques. As a seasoned female student, I can assure > you that I have "walked the walk" in the ring, sparred and gotten the snot > beaten out of me, competed in a multitude of tournaments against various > styles and it is very disheartening to come so far, try so hard and be > dismissed because you are a female student. > > I am very happy to be "starting over" as a whit belt and getting "on the > mat" at a school and with an instructor I can believe in. ------------------------------ From: "Christopher Spiller" Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 14:21:20 PST Subject: the_dojang: ITF Pattern tapes >5. I have trained in WTF TKD poomse (taeguek and palgwe forms). I >have >books and videos that show those forms in good detail (and of >course I >have he best sort of instruction there is, person to person >from my >teachers). However, we had a young blackbelt trained in ITF >styles that >trained in our dojang for a while and I was impressed >with the ITF poomse. >I found,in a dark corner of my library, >a book on ITF poomse and have been attempting to learn them. But >trying to >learn from a book is frustrating and I can see many >chances to learn >something that is completely incorrect. So, I am >wondering if someone >might be able to reccommend a good video on ITF >forms. I am only learning >them to satisfy myself, not to attain any >ITF ranking, or for competition. >Just for FUN !!! I enjoy practicing >forms, and would like to add a little variety to my life. I also >have >begun learning Wu (Chien Chuan) syle Tai Chi, I find the soft >style >relaxing and pleasant to practice (I also know it's off topic >on this >forum, so I'll shut up). >Thanks for listening, >Dave Weller 1st Dan WTF TKD >"Practice a thousand hours and you learn self discipline. >Practice ten thousand hours and you learn about yourself." >Myamoto Musashi If you want to get the best product on the market for ITF forms I highly recommend the ITF "Legacy CD-Rom". It costs $150 but is well worth the price. It contains the full text of the 15 vol. Taekwon-Do Encyclopedia by Gen. Choi, interviews with the General, a Korean-English terminology section (in sound), and what you're most interested in all 24 patterns performed in video by 4th dan black belts and up. The patterns are viewable from four angles so they are much easier to understand than just still pictures in a book. Of course the price is a little steep so you might also want to check out the "Legacy Video series." This only has the first 9 patterns but they are also viewable from a variety of angles. I believe the set of five tapes retails for $100. Both products can be ordered from www.comdo.com Have fun training! Taekwon, Chris "Every experience of beauty points to infinity." Hans Urs von Balthasar ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: TaoArt@aol.com Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 17:39:59 EST Subject: the_dojang: Black Belt testing In a message dated 2/3/00 4:02:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Concerning the 1st dan belt promotion written about in Vol 7 #63. WOW. I thought (1st dan test at age 43) that an hour or so was going to kill me. I know for certain that 6 hours would have been the end of me. I REALLY \admire those students. What fortitude they must have. I am curious if this is a common length for black belt testing? Again my hat is off to those dedicated students and their obviously sadistic ;) teachers. >> In our school the testing for black belt (there are no degrees beyond black in our system) is 40 hours long. Yes... you read right... 40 hours. The testing takes place at a camp, outdoors. The students get about 4 hours of sleep somewhere in there. But the rest of the time is spent in either physically or mentally rigorous training. The black belts do not speak of what happens at the testing... so as to not spoil it for others. But it has been said that this testing is the biggest accomlishment and eye opener that they have ever experienced. Meghan Gardner Guard Up, Inc. www.GuardUp.com "When I am old, I don't want them to say of me, "She's so charming." I want them to say "Be careful, I think she's armed". - G. Stoddart ------------------------------ From: Arthur Lee <7akl3@qlink.queensu.ca> Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 18:30:03 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: re:dojang digest #75/#71 Being a person who has actually read "Ender's Game" (and is continuing to read the rest of the quartet and parallel novels), the quote given by Mr. Burrese: >From: ABurrese@aol.com >Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 01:23:56 EST >Subject: the_dojang: Quote to consider > >I got this from my friend Marc. Think about it... > >This came from an Orson Scott Card book "Ender's Game" it is exactly why I >have so much trouble with most so-called "self-defense" training -- it >doesn't take this raw reality into consideration > >"I am your enemy, the first one you've ever had who was smarter than you. >There is no teacher but the enemy. No one but the enemy will tell you what >the enemy is going to do. No one but the enemy will ever teach you how to >destroy and conquer. Only the enemy will show you where you are weak. Only the >enemy tells you where he is strong. And the rules of the game are what you >can do to him and what you can stop him from doing to you" who in turn received it from his friend Marc, is explained quite well by Jim Donley... (read the book for the full explanation), Ender (main character), trains as we all do, in a school of sorts, testing himself against opponents in a controlled environment, but his real training occurs when his "enemy" arrives and gives Ender the experience acquired only through real life training... I must commend you Jim for explaining the point of the quote, even though you haven't read the book, but trust me it's a _AWESOME_ book (off topic.. sorry 8)... Arthur 2nd Dan WTF TKD 2nd Gup HDG ------------------------------ From: d.d.parker@juno.com Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 20:29:00 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Scientific Stretching by Thomas Kurz Scott, Have you tried the techniques in Scientific Stretching? Did they work for you? My experience with dynamic stretching without a preceding warmup was extremely sore hamstrings. Though after warming up through some sort of aerobic activity, dynamic stretching works great for me. Has anyone else had success with the training techniques advocated by Mr. Kurz? Daniel ------------------------------ From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 23:36:48 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: ustu champs anyone know why they changed the dates of the ustu 26th u.s. nat'l tkd champs? melinda http://hometown.aol.com/chunjido/homehtmlindex.html Looking for enlightenment is like looking for a flashlight, when all you need the flashlight for is to find the flashlight. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 21:18:33 PST Subject: the_dojang: Korean Language Village KOREAN-SPEAKING LANGUAGE VILLAGE STAFF NEEDED! Dear Friend of Korea: My name is Ross King, and I am Associate Professor of Korean at the University of British Columbia in Vancouver, Canada. But my reason for writing you concerns yet another hat I wear, that of Dean of the new Korean Language Village at Concordia Language Villages in northern Minnesota. I am hoping you can help me. The Korean Language Village, appropriately named "Sup sogui Hosu" (all the Concordia Language Villages have names which translate roughly as 'Lake in the Woods') will run for just two weeks in June 2000 (plus a week of orientation and training for staff; contract dates are June 4-25) for its second summer this year, and expand to four or more weeks in the summer of 2001. Last year we attracted 82 villagers aged 7-18 and I hired 22 staff members, many of whom will be returning to continue building this innovative program. My greatest concern for the next few summers will be putting together a committed and talented staff that is willing to devote its talents to getting this new village off the ground. Of course, the ideal kind of staff counselors would be 'Korean speakers' (the phrasing is deliberately ambiguous) who had attended or are currently attending university in North America and thus are familiar with both Korean and North American culture. We are especially eager to hire dynamic, outgoing Korean speakers with experience working with young people. We are particularly eager to hire Korean speaking staff who can teach Korean ethnic sports, music, dance or arts. So, if you think you have the sorts of talents (including at least reasonably good ability in Korean language) our Korean language village would need, and if you think you might be interested, I encourage you to submit an application for a staff position. I would also be more than happy to discuss the village with you by phone or email. If you are not interested, but perhaps know somebody else who would be both interested in and appropriate for a staff position, do please pass along the information. In fact, I would be very grateful if you could spread the word in any way at all, whether in terms of staff recruitment or villager recruitment. You can get more information and forms directly from the Concordia Language Villages office by calling their 800 number: 800-222-4750, or by emailing them at clvoffice@cord.edu. If you would like to discuss the Korean village with me, feel free to call me at the office at UBC: 604-822-5428, or else email me at jrpking@unixg.ubc.ca. There is also a website: http://www.cord.edu. The website now has an interactive staff application. Thank you for your attention, and I hope you can help in some way with the new Korean language village. Sincerely Yours, Dr. Ross King Associate Professor of Korean, UBC and Dean, Korean Language Village Concordia Language Villages ------------------------------ From: Piotr Bernat Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 22:33:18 +0200 Subject: the_dojang: Re: ITF Forms video Hello > So, I am wondering if someone might be able to reccommend > a good video on ITF forms. Hi Dave, there are plenty of different ITF forms videos out there, and the people on them perform the forms in a dozen of ways. If you are interested in strict ITF recognised way of doing patterns, the ITF released a set of videos. I saw an advert for them in "TKD Times" once, I believe you can also take a look on the ITF website and maybe email them. John Chung is impressive in his videos, although his way of doing forms is FAAAAR from what General Choi and ITF are teaching currently. I also have some private recordings of ITF videos done by Polish instructors (e.g. during Gen. Choi`s seminar in Poland) and I will gladly send you a copy. Just email me privately if you are interested. Regards - -- Piotr Bernat dantaekwondo@lublin.home.pl http://www.taekwondo.prv.pl ------------------------------ From: Kim Jones Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 02:53:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Happy Lunar New Year! *a-hem* Tomorrow will be February 5, 2000 here in Korea on the solar calendar. It will be the first day of the first month on the lunar calendar in the Year of the Metal Dragon, 4698. Just dropping a line to wish everyone a Happy (Lunar) New Year! Saehae pakmani paduh saeyo! ===== ~~Kim Jones *ladytimberland@yahoo.com* ICQ: 52828008 AOL: Lady Timberland "I've kept the rain falling down on me all the time." ~Roxette, "The Rain" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "Paul Rogers" Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 06:27:49 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Thoughts on Recent Posts >>>From: David Weller Some thoughts on some recent posts. 1. My apologies to Laura Kamienski for the actions of Bill Wallace. Since he is obviously too enthralled with himself to see himself, I will apologize for him, and for men in general ( there is a tendency towards piggishness in our species, which if we are not to appear so, we must battle diligently.) Don't let the actions of this creep deter you in your studies of the martial arts. For every jerk like him there are 100 (or more) that are courteous, respectful and decent. Take the good, throw the rest away.<<< I totally agree. On the one hand you have the (self-?)appointed GM, Black Belt Hall of Fame member-type who may have the physical skills, but lacks those additional components that truly distinguish themselves as a martial artist (vs. just fighters), vs. folks like Alain Burrese, who eschews the title of master, in favor of stating that he (paraphrased) "knows a little more than some, not as much as others, and is constantly learning." Hmmm, I know who I'd rather train under...8?) I think it was cool how Ms. Kamienski kept her objectivity in her report, giving credit to Mr. Wallace where it was due, and reasonably reporting the other behavior. Paul "Not starting a 'what is a martial artist' thread 8?)" Rogers, Round Rock, TX Enjoying http://www.NiblocksATA.com ------------------------------ From: samiller@Bix.Com Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 09:22:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: V7 #75: various David Weller wrote: >2. Concerning the 1st dan belt promotion written about in Vol 7 #63. WOW. >I thought (1st dan test at age 43) that an hour or so was going to kill me. >I know for certain that 6 hours would have been the end of me. I REALLY >\admire those students. What fortitude they must have. I am curious if >this is a common length for black belt testing? Again my hat is off to >those >dedicated students and their obviously sadistic ;) teachers. > The Tang Soo Do/Moo Duk Kwan test I took was about 3 hours. It may make a difference whether the physical and written tests are combined or separate (ours were separate). >3. I am teaching a short TKD/self defense class to a group of 10 and under >(mostly under) children twice a week. Any SIMPLE self defense techniques >you might reccomend for that age group?? I sometimes assist my instructor with a class he teaches nearby for children who aren't members of his dojang. They range in age from 5 to about 11. He separates them into 3 groups, roughly, by age and physical ability. We teach them basic defenses for hair grab, handshake grab, wrist grab, choke, and bear hug. The younger kids learn 1 defense per grab, the older kids may eventually learn a second or third. Only kids who have been praticing for a while are allowed to do techniques like sweeps. We also stress awareness concepts such as not going with strangers, not telling telephone callers that their parents aren't home, sharing a secret "safe person" code word with their parents, etc. === Tang Soo! Scott ------------------------------ From: samiller@Bix.Com Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 09:22:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: V7 #75: Stretching Oops. On further reflection, that title should be "Stretching Scientifically". >similar to what Tom Kurz ("Scientific >Stretching") has been recommending for years. === Tang Soo! Scott ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 09:43:25 EST Subject: the_dojang: the quote Jim, I do agree with what you wrote, and have those same feelings. But also, part of it is that there are schools that say they are teaching "Self-defense" but in reality are teaching other focuses of the martial arts. THIS IS NOT BAD! It's just that it can be a disservice to those that think they are prepared for a street encounter, and are not. Or worse yet, the blackbelt who thinks he is a real butt kicker now, and gets stomped by the guy who has been there and done that. That's all. Some SD schools do not address the realities of the savageness of physical violence, and students are not prepared for that brutality. Alain ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 07:08:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #76 ******************************* It's a great day for Taekwondo! 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