From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #89 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 9 Feb 2000 Vol 07 : Num 089 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #86 the_dojang: Time in grade the_dojang: Hapkido then and now the_dojang: Re: rank vs. responsibility the_dojang: Non Physical requirements the_dojang: How long? the_dojang: AAU Calif State TKD Champs the_dojang: Inayan Eskrima (KdM) seminar the_dojang: U.S. Open Webcast [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~765 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, CA Taekwondo, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 19:02:51 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #86 In a message dated 2/9/00 9:07:52 AM Central Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << For example, in the ATA, I beleive there is a requirement that a 5th degree must have 500 or more students under him to be eligible for 6th degree. That includes owning multiple schools, or having one of your students become and instructor and open a school of his own. This is basically a "business" requirement. What do you guys think? Are these requirements appropriate, or merely a way of ensuring survival of the organization? Should high ranks, Masters, etc. be required to do more than just physically perform and teach? Should they even be required to teach? >> I don't believe they are appropriate. You hit it on the head "merely a way of ensuring survival of the organization". GDP ------------------------------ From: "J. R. West" Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 18:31:23 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Time in grade God, do I feel old! First dan in slightly over 2 years, but with over 5000 hours of training (about 8 hours a day minimum, 7 days a week) 1st dan-1967, 2nd-1969, 3rd-1972, 4th-1976, 5th-1981, 6th-1985, 7th-1993, 8th-1999. You would think that in all that time I would have learned a little more....J. R. West www.hapkido.com ------------------------------ From: LAHapkido@aol.com Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 19:53:34 EST Subject: the_dojang: Hapkido then and now It amazes how people get so caught up in things that seem to have very little if anything at all to do with Hapkido. I have been a student of Hapkido since the late 60's early 1970's. I would like to go back in time if I may. In 1965 on the West coast in sunny California there was a Master by the name of Choi, Oh Sea, he was a phenomenal Martial Artist and he taught the Korean Originated Martial Art of Hapkido. Two of his most noted students are Simon and Philip Rhee (Best of the Best). Shortly after, yet another Hapkido great would arrive on the seen. He was non other than Han, Bong Soo. It was Grandmaster Han, Bong Soo that made Hapkido a house hold name with his work in the movie Billy Jack. Moving right alone we come to Grandmaster Myung Kwan Sik, this gentleman wrote the first ever published book on Hapkido in Korean. This book has been translated into English. Then we have Grandmaster Choi, Han Young, who came to America by way of LA and finally settled in El Paso Texas, where he has been instrumental in introducing literally thousands of military men and women foreign and domestic to Hapkido. Yet another that comes to mind for his work and promoting of Hapkido would be Grandmaster Chang, Gedo. Moving south we have one of the most prolific writers and knowledgeable people that I have ever had the pleasure of training with, Dr. Kimm, He Young. I saved Grandmaster Ji, Han Jae, for this point to share with those of you who do not know, He was the majority of the affore mentioned peoples teacher at one time or another. I recently read where they were only two people promoted to 9th dan in Hapkido under Doju Choi, Yong Sool. They were actually 3 and 2 of them are in Korea. The 3rd being Grandmaster Chang, Chin IL, According to an interview in Black Belt Magazine he was made the successor of Grandmaster Choi's system. I don't know much about this other than what I was told. It would be unfair not to mention someone who I feel has made his mark in promoting and sharing Hapkido, this gentlemen has been in the middle for quite some time now and like myself I don't feel that he will be going anywhere any time soon. That would be Grandmaster west, J. R.. I did not mean to go out in left field but I'm sadden at the attempts to be little people within the Hapkido circles. It is time to grow up if you are happy with the people you train with that is wonderful but do not try to promote them at the expense of others. This is for everyone not the select few. Hapkido, is no way the same as it was when Grandmaster Choi,Yong Sool, first began to teach it and the changes can be seen by anyone that has been around for any amount of time. It is not an art or way that can be learned in a day, week, month or year it will take you a life time. If one feels that Hapkido, is anything other than a way of life than I strongly suggest that you take up another discipline. The point is of the 2 or 3 people promoted to 9th Dan by Grandmaster Choi, Yong Sool, what have they done for Hapkido. Let us be more concerned about sharing and making Hapkido stronger than who is or is not a TRUE 9th Dan. What ever that means. Grandmaster Dan Rogers 8th Dan Chun Ki Kwan Hapkido ------------------------------ From: Brett Erwin Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 18:12:13 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: rank vs. responsibility Ok, Mr. Sears, let me delve into your thoughts and play devil's advocate. I'm not disagreeing with you, just point out a different point of view. > One of Grand Master Lee's philosophies is that if you are not willing to > undertake responsibility, you do not need rank. Why not. I don't beleive in "needing rank" but rather earning it. If I learn everything there is to know as a colored belt, and have the physical skill to match the knowledge, have I not "earned" the right to obtain my black belt? I got into a "hypothetical argument" with my instructor about quitting next summer after I test for 4th degree. He said he wouldn't let me test if I was going to quit. I figure that I "completed" the training as a 3rd degree, I have the knowledge and skill, and figure it irrelevant as to what I do after the test. But I felt that I had earned to right to test. If 4th degree was my final, end goal in Taekwondo, why can't I obtain it, be satisfied with reaching my goal, and quit? It would symbolize closure of my training as a 3rd degree. (No, Mr. Sears, I'm not quitting, it's only a hypothetical!!!) > That's why to test for 3rd Degree, you > need to "have a collar", as jr. leader, trainee or certified. Each > succeeding degree of Black Belt requires more dedication and more > responsibility, and therefore has more stringent requirements. > This is what I question. Why is there "responsibility" for high ranks? (I'm NOT saying this is wrong, just wondering what people think :) If I can control my actions, and not abuse my skill in public, why can't I simply continue to "amass skill and knowledge"? (C'mon people, use your heads and think about what you're doing and why you're doing it!) I earned a "Master's Degree" in Electromagnetics in college, but never taught a class, and never tutored it. >There is an obligation of sorts to pass on your knowledge to others (the >"teaching for posterity" thing). Besides, to truly become a master of >martial arts, you need to teach it to others, because you learn more by >teaching than by just doing. Excellent point about learning more when you teach - very true!!! But, have I not "mastered the art" if I merely have skill + knowledge? Einstein was a master of physics... did he teach it??? Montana was a master of quarterbacking... has he coached??? >And to be a good teacher, you need to know all >aspects of teaching, including how to run a school. What do marketing, sales, and taxes have to do with my ability to teach someone how to punch? I see a few correllations, but not many. (Granted, I'm not a school owner, so I have blurry vision here. :) >I had some qualms about the changes in the instructor certification >process that have been recently announced, but after talking with >Master M. K. Lee and Master Kohl, I am wholeheartedly in favor >of the expanded curriculum and requirements. New instructors coming >out of the program will be in much better shape than I was to start >up a school and be successful at it. Oh, I agree. The new certification process, is very expensive, time consuming, and serious. But, I have a feeling we'll be seeing a new wave of fine instructors (probably with VERY successful schools) coming in a few years as people begin cycling through the system. - -- Regards... ************************************************************ J. Brett Erwin Raytheon Systems Co. Phone: (972) 952-3738 Antenna/Nonmetallics Dept. Pager: (972) 598-3616 2501 W. University M/S 8019 Email: jberwin@raytheon.com McKinney, TX 75070 Fax: (972) 952-3773 ************************************************************ ------------------------------ From: Scott Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 19:29:21 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Non Physical requirements Brett Erwin Wrote: >I'd like to hear about what other "non-physical" requirements exist, >and also *WHY* they exist, and are they meaningful? For my testings there where many non physical requirments. We always had oral exams on various topics. We had written tests and Essays that we had to write. At 3rd gup we had to become a class assistant. At 1st dan we were required to teach or attend an instructors class at least twice a week. I think it is good because you learn alot more about techniques when you try and explain them to someone else. One thing I have been thinking about is to have students create some form of art work. Poem, picture, whatever. Similar to the Hwarang warriors of ancient Silla. To try and get them thinking in different ways. Make them more creative. Scott ------------------------------ From: Scott Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 19:55:21 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: How long? Sandy Wrote: >I would like to ask those >who are willing to tell me how long it took you to get your 1st degree black >belt or equivalent and how long did you train until you received your second >degree? It took three years for 1st Dan. The minimum is two years from 2nd to 3rd, I took three. The minimum for 3rd to 4th is Three years. Boy I'm long past that one. Scott ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 19:13:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: AAU Calif State TKD Champs Received in the mail... AAU California State Taekwondo Championships 2000 Qualify for the AAU Youth & Adult National Championships in New Orleans June 28th to July 1st. Black Belt competitors at the Nationals will qualify for the AAU Team Trials later in the year and will then go on to international competition with AAU National Head Coach, Herb Perez. Saturday, April 15, 2000 The University of San Francisco's Memorial Gym, 2335 Golden Gate Ave., San Francisco, California 94117 Hosted by the Pacific Association of the AAU and the Academy of Tae Kwon Do Tournament Director: Prof. Bill Dewart For additional information call 415-864-4827 or email tkdbill@pacbell.net or go to http://aautaekwondocal-nev.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 19:16:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Inayan Eskrima (KdM) seminar Forwarding. Ray ================================================================ From: "Jason Inay" Hello All, I will be doing a seminar in Santa Cruz, California on March 11th. The seminar will focus on Inayan Kadena De Mano specifically on knife. The seminar will be held from 10:AM to 3:PM with a one hour break for lunch. The cost of the seminar will be $40.00 US with a free shirt to preregistered participants. There is a limit to 20 people for obvious quality issues. Kilohana and ITO members will receive discounts. Please contact me at jdinay@inayan.com for further details. Alternate contact info can be found for me on www.inayan.com Jason Inay ------------------------------ From: Gregg London Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 22:18:11 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: U.S. Open Webcast Good Day Group, Per Ron Bain's requests regarding the Tekno USA Webcast - In order to see the fighting at "normal" speed, you were required to have a high speed connection. Either Cable Modem or DSL. Unfortunately, there was little time for Tekno or the U.S. Open to broadcast the requirement; however, most who saw the webcast were on high speed lines, so for them, it was like being there. As for the specific question of "should I get a Cable Modem", the answer depends on cost and availablility of DSL in your area. Cable Modems and the Cable Service tend to be less expensive, but Cable does not have the security of DSL Circuits, and Cable also is shared, so that in peak times (evenings and weekends) traffic speed would be slow. Finally, Tekno plans on more webcasts of major TKD tournaments. And they will post system requirements in advance of broadcast. Best wishes, Gregg London - -- Gregg London Digital Engineer http://www.glondon.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 19:25:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #89 ******************************* It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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