From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #93 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 11 Feb 2000 Vol 07 : Num 093 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #92 the_dojang: Re: use of the cane the_dojang: TKD Broadcasts the_dojang: Re: 9th Dans the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #88 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #89 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #92 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #92 the_dojang: Whoz there? the_dojang: What is a Master the_dojang: Kukkiwon test reqs [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~775 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, CA Taekwondo, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 18:42:21 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #92 Rick Nabors Wrote: ... Does anyone else group their techniques like this? If so, or if not, how do others do it? ... I've had several different HKD Instructors. All of them had a different grouping of techniques. But they all followed the basic idea of so many wrist grabs, so many cross wrist grabs, ect. ect. ect. Currently I teach so many striking, kicking, breaking/locking, and throwing techniques for each grab. However I have had a doubt about this. One of the concepts that I try and get across to my students is the idea of using one technique that from different situations. This is an arm bar you can do when some one grabs you like this or like this or like this, but it doesn't work real well when they grab you like this. Eventually they get the Idea but not until they are higher ranking. I am always trying to get them to learn it sooner. I though about reorganizing the techniques to accomplish this. At 10th gup teach several strikes, kicks, arm bar, and hip throw. 9th gup teach more strikes, kicks, wrist lock, armbar throw. Ect. This is the way I teach womens self defense. And they seem to pick it up really quickly and can apply some simple concepts in many different ways. Even in a completely different attack that they haven't experanced before. Also when they get stuck a simple prompt like "Where's the thumb?" will set them on the right path. What do others think? Scott ------------------------------ From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 23:14:06 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: use of the cane In a message dated 02/10/2000 2:26:31 PM Central Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << wrt Hapkido cane, I always found the throwing/hooking techniques very good, but only if you didn't really need to use the cane to walk or stand. Perhaps a simple strike would still work, but ... Comments? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com >> i suppose it would really depend on one's balance without it....and how much is depended upon the cane. melinda ChunjiDo http://hometown.aol.com/chunjido/homehtmlindex.html Looking for enlightenment is like looking for a flashlight, when all you need the flashlight for is to find the flashlight. ------------------------------ From: "Silke Schulz" Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 21:23:44 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: TKD Broadcasts John asked: >I look forward to viewing TKD on TV or any other Martial Art for that matter >for personal interest as well as education. If there is someone to write to >in support for this program, could you post an address? There are several ways to show support for current and future TKD broadcasts: 1) Write to Ron Semiao at ESPN in Bristol at: ESPN, Inc. ESPN Plaza Bristol, CT 06010-7454 (860)766-2000 2) Write to Fox Sports Network and/or ESPN by e-mailing them through their respective websites. 3) And if you have a Nielsen "people meter" or diary, be sure to watch the very few broadcasts of the various martial arts that are out there right now. ESPN2 does air some TKD already, along with Muay Thai matches, Breaking Championships, etc. Let's keep our fingers crossed, too, just for good measure!!! ------------------------------ From: Piotr Bernat Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 07:49:47 +0200 Subject: the_dojang: Re: 9th Dans Hello, the recent debate about "true 9th Dans" really reminds me of an incident couple of years ago, when a noted Taekwondo Grandmaster visited Poland for a seminar. There was a physical part of the seminar, and a Q & A session afterwards. Somebody asked that old ITF/WTF question about the high ranked Grandmaster from the rival body (do you know him? what is he like? is he really a 9th Dan etc.). The answer was short and simple: "Yes, I know him. He is a true Taekwondo grandmaster. I cannot say a bad word about him." This was when the ITF and the WTF were struggling for Olympic recognition, and when there was a lot of hostility between two groups here. With all due respect, to say about persons like for example GM Ji, Han Jae, GM Myung, Jae Nam or any else that they are not "true" 9th or 10th Dans makes me really wonder about where we are now. They are (or were like GM Myung) at the point of skill and knowledge which most of us will probably never achieve. We just have to give credit where it is due. I don`t speak about the "cowboys" springing out of nowhere with 10th dans at 40 years of age and unknown previous experience, but instead of questioning other real GM`s grades and titles, maybe we should think about what can we learn from them. Maybe one day, when this or that GM will be no longer with us (like GM Myung), somebody will lose a great chance to learn, and the reason for this will be the point of view stating "my way is the only way". Regards - -- Piotr Bernat dantaekwondo@lublin.home.pl http://www.taekwondo.prv.pl ------------------------------ From: TKDSCRIBE@aol.com Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 03:27:10 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #88 In a message dated 2/9/00 4:35:44 PM Mountain Standard Time,=20 the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Ok because of a recent personal ethical debate, I would like to ask those= =20 > who are willing to tell me how long it took you to get your 1st degree=20 black=20 > belt or equivalent and how long did you train until you received your=20 second=20 > degree?=A0 >> Since you asked, I was in taekwondo 5 years, 9 months when I was examine= d=20 for my first dan (I had taken a couple of summers out of town prior to=20 reaching 3rd geup and practiced only by myself during these "breaks" about 3= =20 times per week.) I was told of my passage a month after examining, and was=20 awarded my black belt another month after that. I believe that was a speed=20 record for promotion after testing by Master Sang Lee in that era. I believ= e=20 this was because I was successful in nationals (2nd place) as a black belt=20 already, was potentially in-line to compete at the 6th World Championships=20 and he wanted to make it "official." (I didn't compete in Copenhagen after=20 all as Kang, Young Joon who beat me in the finals, did manage to show=20 eligibility to represent the U.S.)=20 Second dan exam was about 3 years later, but I was not told of my passag= e=20 for about another year -- a more typical waiting period in his dojang. ...Since you asked... SESilz ------------------------------ From: TKDSCRIBE@aol.com Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 03:49:29 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #89 In a message dated 2/9/00 8:30:25 PM Mountain Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Einstein was a master of physics... did he teach it??? >> Of course he did, though I doubt that is what made him a master. It was, perhaps what helped make him human, and he was quite a humanist, especially in his later years. Besides, Einstein's talent was far from common. He was beyond brilliantly intuitive and his place in history is that of a completely innovative thinker. One whose thoughts totally and literally revised our understanding of the nature of the universe. This is surely not the role of the "average" physics professor whose job is to pass along his or her lifetime of acquired knowledge to perhaps the next Einstein. Yet, both Einstein, and Einstein's teaches have their place in time and history. My point, of course, is that innovators in the martial arts like USTU President Sang Lee, and hacks like myself, too, have our necessary roles to live, as well. I may not be a Sang Lee, but I may have already instructed the next one. Karma, no? SESilz ------------------------------ From: TKDSCRIBE@aol.com Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 04:44:05 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #92 In a message dated 2/10/00 5:15:56 PM Mountain Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << While >traveling at a fixed speed and decreasing the radius of a circle, the RPM's >increase drastically >> What you are talking about is conservation of angular momentum. The most obvious example of this is the twirling ice skater who draws their spread arms close to their body (axis of rotation) and spins much faster as a result. SESilz ------------------------------ From: TKDSCRIBE@aol.com Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 04:50:41 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #92 In a message dated 2/10/00 5:15:56 PM Mountain Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << So, there is at least one honest person out there helping out those that do not have local access a Kukkiwon Master. >> Thanks, Master T. This is good to know, however the ads to which I refer were offering official sounding but actually "private" rank, not Kukkiwon, or KodoKan or even ITF. These organizations looked more like: "World-International ChoyKwanDo Council," and thing of that sort : ) SESilz ------------------------------ From: Hanmudo Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 12:03:10 +0000 (GMT) Subject: the_dojang: Whoz there? Hello, I'm Dave Marriott from Sheffield in England. I started training in Hapkido with my two sons Andrew and Stephen just over six years ago. We all graded for our 1st Dans in Hapkido under GM He Young Kimm in May 98. Last year Stephen and I took our 1st Dans in Hanmudo under GM Kimm. My Daughter Jenny (7)is now also training with us During our training we have attended seminars by GM He Young Kimm, GM Gedo Chang, Master Hartmut Sparsch, and GM Beung Tae Moon and his brother, Regarding the enquiry about "Stretching Scientifically", I started my training at the tender age of 40 and experienced alot of difficulty due to lack of flexibility.As a result I have bought a few videos and books on the subject. I also attended an excellentseminar by Master Jean Frennette when he was over in England. So far I consider the "Stretching Scientifically" book the best one I have read on the subject. - -- Regards David Marriott ------------------------------ From: "Farral, Kim G" Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 07:10:58 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: What is a Master In a message dated 2/9/2000 9:29:30 PM Central Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: > This is what I question. Why is there "responsibility" for high ranks? > (I'm NOT saying this is wrong, just wondering what people think :) > If I can control my actions, and not abuse my skill in public, why > can't I simply continue to "amass skill and knowledge"? (C'mon people, > use your heads and think about what you're doing and why you're doing it!) > I earned a "Master's Degree" in Electromagnetics in college, but never > taught a class, and never tutored it. > > >There is an obligation of sorts to pass on your knowledge to others (the > >"teaching for posterity" thing). Besides, to truly become a master of > >martial arts, you need to teach it to others, because you learn more by > >teaching than by just doing. > > Excellent point about learning more when you teach - very true!!! > But, have I not "mastered the art" if I merely have skill + knowledge? > Einstein was a master of physics... did he teach it??? > Montana was a master of quarterbacking... has he coached??? > Here is my input on this topic..take it for what it is worth: Anyone can attain the knowledge of performing techniques taught to them. Anyone can improve their methods by continual practice and become very profficient in performance. Being able ot do something better than someone else does NOT make you a master. What any individual, who has the knoledge to perform certain tasks to a higher skil level than others, is simply a skilled and accomplished practitioner or expert. To simply go through life learning for your own benefit does not lead to being a master of anything; only to improving and honing your skills. A master is someone that not only has the skills and the knowledge, but is capable of passing it on with the same amount of skill and expertise. Training and teaching others in the skill you have attained leads to a higher form of learning for both the instructor and the student. In essence, life's doors become open and a whole new world and approach to amassing knowledge and improving skills becomes available to those who wish to achieve. Let's put things in proper perspective: Joe Montanna is NOT a master of anything: He is a highly skilled payed professional. He has a talent that he has developed to support and excell in his profession. If he doesnt excell; he doesnt get payed. Likewise; Albert Einstein was NOT a master of physics: He was a genius. He atained a knowledge of understanding beyond that of others. He applied that knowledge to practical applications which led to new ideas, developments, and inventions. Perhaps he did not teach at a university, but he did pass on his knowledge in the only manner he knew: creativity through applied knowledge. I do not consider him a master because is focus was along a certain order of thinking that did not allow other aspects of life and science to enter into the equation. A master of martial arts goes beyond the training and embraces all that effects the outcome of that training. A master learns how to "Read" people, learns the limitations of not only the students, but their own, learns the basis for even the smallest detail of the art, learns the history to better understand, apply, and teach the skills attained, learns to apply the knowledge of the art and skills to their path in life, learns to accept accomplishments and failures with dignity, respect, and humility, learns to keep learning and willingingly passes on the knowledge attained that others may follow. When you meet a true Master of the art, there will be no no question or doubt in your mind. The term "Masters" degree is nothing more than that...a term given to a piece paper by educators to distinguish a "Higher" level of learning as well as an extended length of time in college. I don't care how many certificates a person has...how many belts...the color of the belt...how many college degrees...or any other materialistc or ego raising recognition one has. One cannot master anything in life if they are unwilling to pass it on; a learning experience in itself. IMVHO The One and Only... Tink ------------------------------ From: "Sam Stratton" Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 06:08:41 PST Subject: the_dojang: Kukkiwon test reqs Ray Terry wrote: >The list of things that must be demonstrated on tape are very long>(much >more than is actually required by the Kukkiwon), Ray, Is there an actual list of test reqs for Kukkiwon 1st dans? Sam Stratton (hopefully) WTF 1st dan ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 06:40:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #93 ******************************* It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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