From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #94 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 11 Feb 2000 Vol 07 : Num 094 In this issue: Re: the_dojang: Kukkiwon test reqs the_dojang: Re: 9th Dans the_dojang: Promotions anyone? the_dojang: HKD Techniques - long the_dojang: Re: V7 #92: Sun Tzu the_dojang: Jackie Chan Action Figures the_dojang: At Last it is done [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~775 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, CA Taekwondo, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 7:08:32 PST Subject: Re: the_dojang: Kukkiwon test reqs > Ray Terry wrote: > >The list of things that must be demonstrated on tape are very long>(much > >more than is actually required by the Kukkiwon), > > Ray, Is there an actual list of test reqs for Kukkiwon 1st dans? Good point. Just the poomse one is required to know. This person required several more poomse (typically 2 Dan levels higher), plus one-steps, two rounds of Olympic style sparring, hoshinsul, written test, etc. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: jsegovia@mindspring.com Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 09:56:53 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: 9th Dans Piotr wrote: > ... instead of questioning other real GM`s grades and titles, maybe we should think about what can we learn from them. Maybe one day, when this or that GM will be no longer with us (like GM Myung), somebody will lose a great chance to learn, and the reason for this will be the point of view stating "my way is the only way". < Very good point, and very well put. Jesse ------------------------------ From: "Christopher Spiller" Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 08:33:59 PST Subject: the_dojang: Promotions anyone? >SESilz, 11th Dan in My Own Way (MOW-DO) >PS: Anyone interested in increasing their rank please call or >write.... Does this mean you would promote ME to 12th dan in YOUR style (if the price was right)? ;-) Taekwon, Chris "Every experience of beauty points to infinity." Hans Urs von Balthasar ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 11:47:45 EST Subject: the_dojang: HKD Techniques - long I realize that different HKD federations and schools group techniques differently in their training curriculums, but I believe students are still learning pretty much the same things, just maybe in a different order. However, with this, I am not as familiar with the different organizations as many others on this list. It has been great learning from everyone. Below is the order the techniques are taught in my school in Kangnung Korea. The school is under the Korea Hapkido Federation with GM Oh Se-lim as President, and these techniques follow the instructor's manual of the KHF. (Note - these are only the Hoshinsul requirements for promotions, not everything that is tested.) White to Yellow: 8th gup All techniques are done from a same side wrist grab. Attackers left hand grabs the defenders right wrist. 3 escapes 5 escapes with a strike 11 jointlocks 8 throws Yellow to Green: 7th gup 26 techniques from various grabs on the clothing (sleeve, lapel, belt, etc), hair and front bear hugs. Green to Green: 6th gup 16 techniques from various grabs from the rear, including bear hugs, full nelson, and grabbing of the clothing at different places. Green to Blue: 5th gup All techniques done with the attacker throwing a right punch at defender. 10 blocks 8 blocks followed with strike 10 blocks with joint locks (note, same locks as white belt) 8 blocks with throw (like white belt throws) 5 kicking defenses against punch Blue to Blue: 4th gup Attack is side kick. 8 blocks (some are block grabs) 5 blocks followed by strike to attacker 6 leg joint lock takedowns 5 throws (catching kick and throwing) 5 block kick followed by kick to attacker Blue to Red: 3rd gup Attack is roundhouse kick. 5 techniques - two strikes, one joint lock take down, 2 throws. Attack is front kick. 5 techniques - kicking back, grabbing, throwing. (not as many this belt, but they are more difficult techniques) Red to Red: 2nd gup Attack is attacker reaching out with both hands to grab you. 10 techniques including striking back, joint locking, and throws. Attacker grabs with two hand lapel grab. 5 techniques including strikes, jointlocks, throws. Attacker grabs both lapels and turns in to throw you. 5 defenses to this throw. Red to Red 1st gup (yes 3rd, 2nd, and 1st gup are red) Attacker does nothing, just stands there. You initiate techniques. 5 strikes 11 joint locks (yes, same as white belt again, but a different entry) 8 throws (same as white belt again, just different entry) Red to Black dan bo (they used a dan bo rank before 1st dan) 5 joint lock takedowns from cross arm grab to wrist 5 joint lock takedowns from two arm grab to one wrist 5 joint lock takedowns with attacker grabbing both wrists Dan bo to 1st Dan: 5 techniques where you start from fighting stances and you jump in and perform a joint lock throw. (the wrist lock throw on my video with Mike Janich is one of these) 6 jointlock/throws from 6 different grabs (lapel, from rear, headlock, bearhug, wrist grabs 2) 8 techniques where the attacker kicks and then punches. Each end with different throws or joint lock takedowns. 5 techniques against various grabs (both arms 2, two hand grab to one arm 2, hair 1) 2 techniques with you on your back on the ground with attacker on top. 5 knife defenses Those are the order Hoshinsul techniques were taught to me under the KHF up to 1st dan. For 2nd dan, you start all over at the same side wrist grab and learn 20 new joint locks from that grab and 11 new throws, then go to various sitting techniques, defenses against punches, kicks, techniques where you step on the opponents foot, more knife defenses, more where you initiate the attack and so on. Hope that this was of interest for some on the list. I know I find it interesting to learn how different schools and organizations teach. I think this way of teaching is fine if a person is in it for the long term. You master those basics and the advanced techniques are easier. But in a short term, like my video or seminar setting, I rather group the techniques differently. There is also the notion that you could group techniques like I did in my video in a belt promotion curriculum as well. But that is for another day..... I have to get to the school. Yours in Training, Alain Burrese ------------------------------ From: samiller@Bix.Com Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 12:01:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: V7 #92: Sun Tzu I was going to leave this thread alone, because I suspect it may lead in an off-topic direction rather quickly but since others have begun... What Master Silz wrote about the risks in taking histories so far removed in time, culture, and language as literal truth are quite appropriate. I would add that some research that I did on "The Art of War" shortly after resuming my martial arts training 5 years ago indicated that great uncertainty exists with regard to Sun Tzu and the writing attributed to him. There is much similarity to the controversy about who wrote the works of Shakespeare. To the best of my recollection the very existence of a person named SunTzu is a matter of academic debate. Also debated is whether "The Art of War" is the work of one writer or several, and whether it was composed during a single historical period, or aggregated over time. I don't have pointers to this information handy, but I'll attempt to relocate same if anyone is interested. Master Silz wrote: > Sun Tzu lived in a time and place very different from anything even >remotely contemporary. It is therefore very difficult for us to grasp the >worldview from which he made his observations and developed his theories. >If >you were born and raised in his time and place, you would fully comprehend >the word which we have translated as "Art," otherwise it takes a rather >large >leap of faith to do so. === Tang Soo! Scott ------------------------------ From: JEREMYT@ATFI.COM (JeremyT) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 14:21:55 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Jackie Chan Action Figures OK all you martial art freaks this one is for you. Marco Polo Import, Inc. Kicks Off New Series of Jackie Chan Action Figures NEW YORK, Feb. 11 /PRNewswire/ -- Marco Polo will unleash a new series of 12" action figures based on the international action superstar Jackie Chan at the American International Toy Fair 2000 from February 10-17 in booth #5559. Marco Polo will also be showing at the Toy Building North-1107 Broadway (6th Floor) in the Incubator Program in booth #139. The first in the series is from the movie "Jackie Chan- My Story" and will be crashing into mass retailers, comic/ hobby shops, and online stores nationwide in April 2000. The rest of the series will feature a new figure from each of Jackie Chan's other popular films. "Jackie Chan is one of the most popular film personalities in the world," says Tony Chin, Vice-President of Marco Polo Import. "We feel that this will be a strong product line due to his immense popularity, fervent support from his fans, and the press from his upcoming feature film and video game." The quality and detail of the action figure will unsurpassed since Dragon produces high quality products and Jackie Chan worked very closely on the overall design, personally overseeing and approving the final production of the figures. Each figure will feature over 30 points of articulation at the neck, shoulders (ball joints), waist, hips, thighs, knees, ankles, wrists, and fully poseable fingers. They will stand approximately 12 inches tall and include an authentic stunt team uniform, glasses, and other accessories. The figure will have a Suggested retail price of $24.95. Marco Polo Import, Inc. is a leading distributor of high quality model kits, replicas and action figures. MPI's core exclusive line include products from: Hasegawa Seisakusho Co. Ltd. (Japan), Dragon Models Limited (Hong Kong), Shanghai Dragon Models & Toys Co. Ltd. (China), AFV Club (Taiwan), Ironside (France), Kirin Models (Hong Kong), Concord Publications (Hong Kong) and Jaguar Models (USA). For more information visit www.marcopoloimport.com or contact Mark Alamares of Flying Guillotine, Irvine, 949/250-8788. /CONTACT: Mark Alamares of Flying Guillotine, Irvine, 949-250-8788, for Marco Polo Import, Inc./ 07:00 EST6073 02/11/2000 07:00 EST ------------------------------ From: JEREMYT@ATFI.COM (JeremyT) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 14:22:14 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: At Last it is done I have completed my website and it is opened for the beatings. I still have the same HKD history as last time, but I was able to complete the Personal history page as well as start the listing pages. Please feel free to give me any pointers on the site. The site is http://www.zyworld.com/JnS1994/MAS.htm Jeremy MACS ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 12:37:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #94 ******************************* It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, CA Taekwondo, and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.