From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #101 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 16 Feb 2000 Vol 07 : Num 101 In this issue: the_dojang: Upper dan tests the_dojang: KASF the_dojang: KAHS the_dojang: Center for Korean Studies Online the_dojang: teaching the_dojang: patches the_dojang: CNN the_dojang: I need help the_dojang: Teaching? the_dojang: dan-bo the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #100 [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~775 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, CA Taekwondo, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J. R. West" Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 19:30:03 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Upper dan tests Now that I understand more of what you are looking for, perhaps I can answer the question about testing requirements for upper dan level. First, let's go back to the mid sixties and define the different dan grades. First through third dan were called "student dans" or "beginner dans", while fourth dan was considered an "instructor". Fifth dan was a "senior instructor" and sixth was "chief instructor. Seventh dan and above were "masters', and there were no titles above that such as grandmaster, supreme grandmaster or others of that ilk. The only physical tests were for those going to first, second and third dan, and at 4th dan, only your students abilities were tested. Those not interested in teaching were left at 3rd dan since they could not be considered "instructors". 5th and 6th dan were more of the same, with instructional skills being the main part of the requirements. 7th dan and above were contingent upon ones' contribution to the art, but teaching and maintaining a school were the most important points to be considered. I have never understood what I could possibly want to see from one of my students that has been with me long enough to be ready for 5th dan if I have seen them test for 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc.. Another problem I see is the high-dan holder that doesn't have a class, doesn't train and doesn't contribute to the art other than showing up at the occasional tournament and telling everyone how hard HE trained way back then, and how his students would kick butt (that is, if he had any students). J. R. West www.hapkido.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 17:38:16 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: KASF FYI... The Korean American Scholarship Foundation seeks to assist Korean American Students in pursuit of academic and personal achievement, to encourage community and civic service as an integral part of leadership development, and to nurture a sense of pride and confidence in Korean cultural heritage and tradition. http://www.kasf.org Ray Terry ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 17:38:16 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: KAHS More FYI... Founded in 1985, Korean American Historical Society (KAHS) is a nonprofit organization dedicated to enriching the collective memory of Korean Americans through collecting, maintaining, and transmitting the heritage and achievements of Koreans living in the United States and abroad. KAHS' Goals include the following: 1. Annually publish 'Occasional Papers', a scholarly journal of oral histories, community research, book reviews, critical essays, and reports. This journal is intended to present information and material for primary researchers as well as general readers. 2. Conduct and archive oral history interviews on the history of Korean expatriates in general, and Korean Americans in particular. 3. Maintain a library of books, photographs, and materials pertinent to the mission of KAHS. 4. Organize and conduct seminars, symposia, and other necessary activities. 5. Encourage the development of Korean American studies as an academic discipline. 6. Coordinate activities with other Korean community organizations for historical purposes. http://www.kahs.org ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 17:48:18 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: Center for Korean Studies Online And more fyi... The Center for Korean Studies Online. The Center was established in 1972 at the University of Hawaii for students and faculty with Korea-related teaching and research interests. Now with eighteen faculty members offering courses and conducting research related to Korea in fields such as Asian studies, dance, economics, history, language, linguistics, literature, music, political science, and sociology, the Center is home to the oldest and largest Korean Studies program outside of Korea. The Center for Korean Studies Online also hosts several important resources for Koreanists and others interested in Korea. We are home to Korean History: A Bibliography, which lists thousands of recent English-language publications on Korea. We also have full-text archives of the Korean Studies Newsletter and links to the journal Korean Studies and other Korea-related sites. For more information contact: The Center for Korean Studies 1881 East-West Road Honolulu, HI 96822 (808) 956-7041 email: tanouyej@hawaii.edu http://www2.hawaii.edu/korea/ ------------------------------ From: b.lambert@juno.com Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 20:22:06 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: teaching I am not a high ranking dan, but here are my thoughts (I am a 1st degree black belt in Yudo.) I found any of the works by Gleeson on Judo coaching have been very helpful in helping me detereming what I will teach and how I will teach it. I also see belt tests as a benchmark regarding my coaching performance. If the students can not execute the techniques, than I have failed as a coach. Teaching others helps one learn as well, and some coaching should be done at a fairly early stage to encourage students to learn and adapt new techniques. Not all knowledge should be passed on to all students, as they are not capable of doing it or you may not be capable of showing it. We as teachers should be aware of our limits also. > From: Brett Erwin > Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 09:51:15 -0600 > Subject: the_dojang: Re: Rank vs. responsibility, etc. > > *sigh* I think you guys missed the original point of my post. > Originally, I asked what some of the "high rank" testing > requirements were. In other words, in your org/style, what > does it take (outside of a physical exam) for a 5th, 6th, 7th > degree black belt to promote? Some/many require a certain number > of students. Some require that they are "certified instructors" > at early level black belts. What else??? > > For some reason, everyone got off on the "should we teach" tangent. > And I am pleased with the number of well thought-out posts. > I'd like to make this a separate thread from the above paragraph. > If we, as high ranks, should be required to teach (which seems to > be the consensus from the replies I read), then how should it be > quantified? > 1) How many should we teach? > - As many as possible > - Can we limit the number > - What if we only teach one student > 2) How long should we teach? > 3) When should we start? > - at a certain rank > - start early, gradually increasing teaching skill > as I go > 4) goals of teaching: > - create independance? > - create new teachers? > - pass on all knowledge? > Please elaborate your thoughts on these points as well as points > of your own. > > Regards, > > Brett Erwin > Allen, TX > > ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 17:58:20 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: patches If you get a chance, note the patches that have already been sent in by members of the_dojang. They can be seen at: http://home.austin.rr.com/rhome/the_dojang/patches.html Have a patch that you'd like to donate to the collection? Please send it to me at PO Box 110841, Campbell, California 95011-0841. Thanks. Ray Terry ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 18:10:14 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: CNN Noticed in LadyTKD's Sport Taekwondo Today web page (http://hometown.aol.com/LadyTKD/rumor.htm). CNN article on selecting a martial arts school http://cnnfn.com/2000/02/07/life/q_martial_arts/ Ray Terry ------------------------------ From: Nellie Benoit Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 21:19:42 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: I need help I am a little yellow belt with a big problem. My Master is a wonderfull athlete that i respect immensly. BUT, his dojang is very popular with black belts, aproximaty half of each sessions attendance are black belts! Wich is great, BUT, our Master seems to not care very much about us little belts. He walks around whyle we practice, yet he very rarely comments on the way that we accomplish our kiks. This makes it hard for us, because we can't learn very well. I am affraid that I will developp bad habbits that will be very hard to change in a year or too, when i will be a higher belt. I told this to my Master, and I felt that I scared him off. He told me that he does come around to look at us, and that if he did see something wrong, he would comment. I don'T want to make ennemies at this dojang, but i feel like he does not care. What shall I do? ------------------------------ From: david alexander soruco Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 23:56:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: the_dojang: Teaching? I seldom post, however the topic intrigued me, so I thought I would throw in my two cents. 1) How many should we teach? I feel it is important to teach many, and to teach one on one. They are different experiences, and are important to understanding teaching. If we ultimately only teach a handful of students who become black belts or hundreds that rarely make it past 5th Kup we are still furthering the art. Students, that make it to black belt, are not a dime a dozen, and we should treasure them. Likewise for those that don't make it to black belt. 2) How long should we teach? To each his own, however I believe that it is important to try to teach from time to time. Teaching helps to remind me of my beginnings, and inspires giving. Teaching also helps you focus on a technique. When we teach, we must understand what we teach so that we can convey it. Since each person is different, the key to understanding for each student is different, by finding these keys we increase our own understanding of the techniques we teach. 3) When should we start? As with all things, start slowly and with small steps. I feel that it is important to begin teaching very early in training. By starting early, we can expand our understanding of a technique when we are still forming habits, and we can actively, consciously try to change our own habits while we are teaching someone else. Begining student's can more easily relate to, and empathize with the frustration a white belt is going through and can provide moral support. A begining student may provide helpful tips which may not occur to more senior instructors. (Remember these tips!) Hopefully, the begining student will start to appreciate how much they have yet to learn. We can always improve our understanding of a technique. 4) goals of teaching: For myself my goals are: To teach respect for all people. To give understanding of the way. To build a foundation which the student can build upon as they choose. - ---dave--- USHF Hapkido Peoria, Ill (: /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ :) David Soruco "Frolic in the face of danger." dsoruco@hamlet.ucs.indiana.edu http://ezinfo.ucs.indiana.edu/~dsoruco ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 00:57:34 EST Subject: the_dojang: dan-bo << Did you have time in rank, # of classes to attend, etc., to get from Dan-bo to 1st Dan in addition to the extra techniques? >> If I remember correctly, it was 6-12 months at Dan-bo depending on the student, etc. This could be shortened at instructor's discretion as well. Alain http://members.aol.com/aburrese/ ------------------------------ From: Klaus Steinberger Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 08:37:01 +0100 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #100 > >I already did some programming on it. Indeed I used it already to produce > >the necessary paperwork for two graduations test (38 probands and 113 probands) > > What is a "proband"? Sorry, I´m not a native english speaker, so I probably used some misleading terminology. These people take part in a graduation test. Sure these numbers sound very large. We do have indeed a rather large number of people, especially children in our school, and on Friday this week we have a graduation test for 113 children. They test for 9th up 4th Kup (this time we have no higher degrees in the children test, as some of the older children moved to adult classes). Last week we had also a test for 38 children, and a test for around 70 adults. Currently we use the database only for the children, for adults we have a different also somewhat older system, which should be also migrated into the new database. Sincerely, Klaus Steinberger - -- Klaus Steinberger Beschleunigerlabor der TU und LMU Muenchen Phone: (+49 89)289 14287 Hochschulgelaende, D-85748 Garching, Germany FAX: (+49 89)289 14280 EMail: Klaus.Steinberger@Physik.Uni-Muenchen.DE URL: http://www.bl.physik.tu-muenchen.de/~k2/ Stimm gegen Spam: http://www.politik-digital.de/spam/ In a world without fences and walls, who needs Windows and Gates? ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 06:25:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #101 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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