From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #102 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 16 Feb 2000 Vol 07 : Num 102 In this issue: the_dojang: Dan Holders the_dojang: ASP Baton Update the_dojang: Rank vs Responsibility, etc. [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 775 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, CA Taekwondo, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tomlinson, Michael E." Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 09:47:27 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Dan Holders Master West, Nice post on the definitions of Dan holders,, I liked it so much I actually printed out a copy of it,,, and as you probably know I usually hate everything. Michael Tomlinson ------------------------------ From: "Dan Myers" Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 09:22:47 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: ASP Baton Update Hi everyone, Information about ASP Baton size came up a week or two back. I said that I would post more information about the baton after my training class. Here is what I learned. Training was conducted mainly by: Professional Security trainer Lieutenant Jennifer Pung Lieutenant Pung is a licensed/certified/qualified > Whatever it is. Basicaly ASP has deemed her qualified to train and certify individuals in the use of their weapons. She is also the person who trains many police in this state and all security guards at the Mall-of-America. She was also aided by Coach Reilly, a 4th degree Judokan with an extensive background in law enforcement and mental ward security. Chris Schmaltz a very well trained individual in Kali, Escrima, and Arnis at a local Inosanto Academy. And finally by another gentlemen, I know him only as Ken who has had 23 years of experience as both a police officer and instructor. We spent over 4 hours going over many strikes, and combinations of strikes as well as hold downs, take downs, and other techniques that this weapon can be used as. Much of the training that ASP teaches is complimented very nicely by Escrima techniques. But I digress to the original question. About the best length of the baton. At this seminar I would guess there where close to 30 people. All but 3 of them had a 21" baton. 1 person had a 16" baton. It was a nice "little" weapon, but when we discussed the length of the weapon Lieutenant Pung pointed out, for someone like the gent who had the 16" weapon. 6' 4" with very long legs and arms, he already had a reach advantage on many people. For herself and most people the 21" felt much more comfortable. I used the 16" a bit, and I did like the way that it fit closed in my pocket, but I felt a little awkward swinging it. There was two people who and longer then 21". Whatever the next size is. 25" 27" anyway, I don't recall. But they where a longin!! Nice to swing, but somewhat cumbersome to grapple with. I would say that if you are not worried about trying to carry it comfortable. Shouldn't you be though? Or you have absolutely no concern or training of what to do on the ground maybe a longer baton might be worth while. But it seems to have many drawbacks to me over the 21". Lieutenant Pung stated that the majority of people choose the 21" as the best all around weapon to have. Some information on the seminar is here. Most of the photos are of the grappling training, mostly because Lieutenant Pung was the one taking the photo's, and she trained most of the striking. She also is a member of team bison, btw. http://www.fortunecity.com/olympia/botham/277/asp_seminar.htm - -- Dan Myers dmyers@crosswinds.net ------------------------------ From: "Farral, Kim G" Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 09:50:36 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Rank vs Responsibility, etc. The following is my opinion and suggestions to answer the questions posed about teaching; from my humble perspective: How many should we teach? As many as you are comfortably able. - As many as possible If this is where your heart lies...then yes...as many as possible - Can we limit the number Certainly..at any point you wish..you may decide to teach only a core group to the very best of your ability so they each can develope their own core group and not only advance and expand the art, but strengthen it through concentrated effort and training as a core. - What if we only teach one student 1 student is the same as 1000...the art continues...it grows..it strengthens..as do you and your student The story told to me (and please..anyone can correct this is translated wrong) of GM Matsamura (sp), founder of the Crane style Shorin Riu Kenpo, is that he had 1 student that followed him for 30 years as he traveled the lands and learned all he could until the GM told him his was ready to have a student of his own. this 1 student then had 1 student that followed him mfor 30 years until such time he was redy to have a student. (whether or not I told this correctly is not the point, but the idea and idealism is the crux of the story) 1 Devoted student to follow in the master's footsteps. How long should we teach? As long as you are physically and/or mentally able...or until such time that it is no longer in your heart to do so. When should we start? Start when you feel you are capable of proper instruction to others or when your instructor tells you to do so. This does not mean on your own...but start by teaching and assisting fellow students...in and out of class. I started teaching fellow students as a white belt...I was the senior white belt and was capable of instructing the basics as instructed by my Master instrutor and senior ranks. (I was 24 at the time with a strong desire to learn) - at a certain rank Rank has no bearing on the ability to instruct or teach...as you can see from my example. Was I capable as a white belt?..For the basics, yes. - start early, gradually increasing teaching skill as I go That is the best way to approach any form of training and learning. That is how I started and I learned as I watched others of higher rank and as I watched the progress of those I instructed. goals of teaching: My only goals are that my students are one day better than I am and that they teach as they have been taught to expand and develope the art. - create independance? We are all independant: learning a common art in a common manner yet practicing teaching with the independance of our own body, mind, and heart wile maintaining the commonality of the art. - create new teachers? That is the only way to perpetuate the art. Not all students will have the desire or the heart to be teachers and instructors. But every instructor should be training their students to be teachers and instructors. - pass on all knowledge? A must. It is the task of every martial artist to pass ontheir knowledge to others regardless as to whether it is just one person in a class that has been assisted or whether it is teaching and instructing a mass of 1000. To withold the knowledge gained is not only selfish and self serving, but very unbeneficial to the student with the unshared knowledge and those from whom it is being witheld. All in my very humble opinion of 21 years of teaching, instructing, and learning. The One and Only... Tink ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 13:27:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #102 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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