From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #103 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 16 Feb 2000 Vol 07 : Num 103 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: funny... the_dojang: Re: Baton info=nice work Dan the_dojang: Orginazation the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #99 the_dojang: Re: i need help [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 775 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, CA Taekwondo, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brett Erwin Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 16:00:19 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: funny... > The story told to me (and please..anyone can correct this is >translated wrong) of GM Matsamura (sp), founder of the Crane style Shorin >Riu Kenpo, is that he had 1 student that followed him for 30 years as he >traveled the lands and learned all he could until the GM told him his was >ready to have a student of his own. this 1 student then had 1 student that >followed him mfor 30 years until such time he was redy to have a student. >(whether or not I told this correctly is not the point, but the idea and >idealism is the crux of the story) 1 Devoted student to follow in the >master's footsteps. Isn't this how the Sith Lords survived? "Always two there are. A master and an apprentice." Yoda, Episode 1 :) Couldn't resist, Brett Erwin Allen, TX ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 13:54:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: Baton info=nice work Dan Dan wrote, in part: Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 09:22:47 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: ASP Baton Update Hi everyone, Information about ASP Baton size came up a week or two back. I said that I would post more information about the baton after my training class. Here is what I learned.> Response: Dan, the Baton information was well done. Thanks. If you know of sources for discounts on the baton please advise. Thanks, Ken McD... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: LAHapkido@aol.com Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 17:52:33 EST Subject: the_dojang: Orginazation Mr. Ray Terry, asked about people who created their own organization and what was the motivating factor that lead to this decision. I have been a student of the Martial Arts since April 17, 1965. In the past 3 1/2 decades I have seen entirely to much political B_ _ _ S_ _ _ . I created the World United Hapkido Association after long and hard deliberation. The objective of the organization was to bring together any and all people who had a desire to train and share their Martial Arts with one another. We have been in existence for over 20 years and have recently decided to extend our membership to the general public in hopes of bringing together serious minded people. Some of the benefits for our members are Training with others that are considered experts in their field. Instructor certification programs at affordable prices. Certificates of training for all seminars attended under the World United Hapkido Association at no additional charge. We offer assistance in setting up an operating a Dojang. All members all encouraged to attend training at any of our sister schools free of charge as a guest for up to 10 days. Training is conducted at our main Dojang by me without regard to your status.(beginer or advanced). These are just a few of the benefits that we promote within the Association. The cost is only $30.00 per year or a lifetime fee of $500.00 the choice is up to the member. I created this Association with the student in mind. I have no desire to be a politician or anything other than a humble Hapkidoist. It has not been easy but I would not do it any different if I was to do it over again. I still have a great relationship with my Grandmaster and I hold the position of Eastern United States Vice President of his Association. We are strictly a Hapkido Association and do not have other styles in our organization. If someone wants to become a member they're required to learn our curriculum and test for their Black Belt. We do not automatically allow someone to join and give them credentials. They must meet our standards first. I hope this bares some light on this topic. Grandmaster Dan Rogers ------------------------------ From: HumbleHarry123@aol.com Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 20:53:42 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #99 I have two cents that I'd like to throw into the pot with respect to the lineage debate. Is it important? I think that if Choi Yong Sul were alive today, every Hapkido practioner in the world would jump at the opportunity to study under him. If your in a branch of Hapkido that acknowledges him as the founder of the system, then why would you want to study under someone else, if you had the choice? But unfortunately, he's not alive, and we don't have a choice. So what next? Do you just accept anyone who claims to know Hapkido as your master? Or do you research the local instructor, and make some determination as to his qualifications to teach the art that Choi Yong Sul founded? Some would argue that we don't have the right to question an individual master's ranking. I agree. Who are we to say that a particular master is or is not a 9th degree blackbelt in Hapkido. There is noone in here that is qualified to make that determination. If Choi Yong Sul founded the style that people are claiming rank in, then he would be the only one that could make that kind of determination. Should be hire a medium to contact him beyond the grave to inquire about his former students? We know there is no way to verify his training in Japan. Were all the records of students he taught in Korea lost as well? Is there any documentation that could be consulted to help shed some light on this issue. There must be some historical records. If anyone has any information, please share, cause I for one, am very curious. Thank you for listening, Humble Harry ------------------------------ From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 21:24:16 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: i need help In a message dated 02/16/2000 8:30:12 AM Central Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << I am a little yellow belt with a big problem. My Master is a wonderfull athlete that i respect immensly. BUT, his dojang is very popular with black belts, aproximaty half of each sessions attendance are black belts! Wich is great, BUT, our Master seems to not care very much about us little belts. He walks around whyle we practice, yet he very rarely comments on the way that we accomplish our kiks. This makes it hard for us, because we can't learn very well. I am affraid that I will developp bad habbits that will be very hard to change in a year or too, when i will be a higher belt. I told this to my Master, and I felt that I scared him off. He told me that he does come around to look at us, and that if he did see something wrong, he would comment. I don'T want to make ennemies at this dojang, but i feel like he does not care. What shall I do? >> well, nellie, sounds like youre in a pickle. i'm sure you want to be respectful AND you want to learn your martial art and sounds like the trouble is getting the second goal met while maintaining the first. i'd give it a little more time. maybe two weeks and see if you feel that instruction is improving. it could be that youre a quick learner and picking up quickly from the modeling of technique by your fellow students. on the other hand, he could just be a really cruddy teacher, but an excellent athlete. it happens. is there the option to hang out after class and ask a black belt to check your technique? that's always been a good one for me. i try to find someone higher ranking and "play" for awhile :). it helps build your technique and confidence, their teaching ability, and a mutual good relationship. however, if you take this option, be careful not to trash your instructor to the blackbelts. and last, if none of that works and youre just not happy there... find another school. a lotta folks have had to do that at some point for whatever reason. melinda ChunjiDo http://hometown.aol.com/chunjido/homehtmlindex.html Looking for enlightenment is like looking for a flashlight, when all you need the flashlight for is to find the flashlight. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 19:00:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #103 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! 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