From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #105 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Thur, 17 Feb 2000 Vol 07 : Num 105 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: Korean Comfort Women the_dojang: Hapkido linage? the_dojang: Re: V7 #103: questioning the_dojang: Thanks the_dojang: Current Events, Korea the_dojang: Name familiar? Think WTF poomse. [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 775 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, CA Taekwondo, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Sam Stratton" Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 06:54:41 PST Subject: the_dojang: Re: Korean Comfort Women Thank you for posting this message Ray, I have written the date on my caledar. The atrocities waged against humanity in WWII were not completely a european affair. In many ways the barbarism of the Japanese in WWII exceeded the methods of the Nazis. This seems unfathomable but for the chilling documentation available on the subject, consider reading "The Rape of Nanking" - thinking about this book still sends shivers down my spine. If you think the germans were cruel, the information in this book raises the bar to a nauseating height (it even turns a nazi official stationed at nanking into a hero.) Sam Stratton WTF 1st dan ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: LAHapkido@aol.com Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 10:00:20 EST Subject: the_dojang: Hapkido linage? I have given this a lot of thought. There seems to be an on going debate concerning who is the founder of Hapkido. Some say Grandmaster Choi, Yong Sool while others give credit to Grandmaster Ji, Han Jae. I would like to pose this question. Why not recognize both as founders of their own system of Hapkido. Grandmaster Choi, is without a doubt the founder of the system that he taught and passed onto his students. Grandmaster Ji, should be given the same consideration. They both have contributed to the growth of this Korean originated Martial Art. While the argument as to who teaches the original or true Hapkido continues, this question should come to mind, Who Knows? When one looks at the Hapkido of Grandmaster Choi, it is prevalent that the techniques are more of the joint locks, take downs, throws and come along. Grandmaster Ji, on the other hand places inficious on the kicking as well as all of the affore mentioned techniques. It seems to be the ones doing all of the arguing concerning this matter are the ones with little or limit experience on a full time bases. Practicing and being in the Martial Arts for 20 years or more is not the same thing. I notice people are quick to point out how long they have studied an art. When the true is that they may have started the Martial Arts 20 years ago and have only trained for a small percentage of that time, yet they want full credit for the entire time. It is like they find solitude in pointing out that everyone else is wrong and they are the only enlightened ones. Well, here is a thought, no one refutes that Morhie Uyeshiba, is the founder of Aikido, however there are many of his student that have gone on to create their version of Aikido based on years of training and developing techniques that better fit them and the people that they were teaching. I think that to much time spent arguing about who founded or created anything is training time wasted. If you are happy with your beliefs and that is what you want you students to learn as the truth then by all means teach them that. After all you are their Instructor and mentor. In the mean time reflect on your thought before accepting them as gospel. If something works and you like it and add it to your curriculum are you being 100% true to your teacher? Something to think about. Train To Live And Live To Train! Kwan Jang Dan Rogers ------------------------------ From: samiller@Bix.Com Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 10:18:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: V7 #103: questioning Hmmm. First you cast away the right of anyone to question the qualifications of high-ranking martial arts masters, then you requested research assistance to verify the history of Choi, Yong Sul. Isn't such information useless unless one is willing to ask questions? "Humble Harry" wrote: >Who are we to say that a particular master is or is not a >9th degree blackbelt in Hapkido. There is noone in here that is qualified >to make that determination. >Is there any documentation that could be consulted to help shed >some light on this issue. There must be some historical records. If >anyone has any information, please share, cause I for one, am very curious. === Tang Soo! Scott ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 10:05:38 PST Subject: the_dojang: Thanks > fakes to there own dishonor. Master Chae started his Hapkido training under > the founder in 1948 over 50 years ago and he has pretty much seen it all as > far as Hapkido is concerned and I for one believe him. That is very nice. Now please drop it. Thanks. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 12:37:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Current Events, Korea Two ways to keep up-to-date on Korean current events. And, if you live on 'this' side of the dateline, you can even read tomorrow's news today... http://www.hk.co.kr/times.htm http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/ Ray Terry ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 12:41:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Name familiar? Think WTF poomse. North Korea Showcases Mountain By Christopher Torchia Associated Press Writer Thursday, Feb. 17, 2000; 2:26 p.m. EST DIAMOND MOUNTAIN, North Korea -- At the icy foot of the mountain, the North Korean guides wore tennis shoes and drab anoraks. The South Korean trekkers had flashier gear: aluminum canes, brightly colored windbreakers and, of course, cameras. When the moment came to march, the tourists raised their fists and shouted: "Diamond Mountain, here we come!" It was no ordinary hike, partly because most of the visitors had never ventured into communist North Korea, which shares a heavily fortified border with the South. It was also a rare trip to one of the Korean peninsula's most revered, pristine sites. For centuries, Diamond Mountain, or Kumgangsan in Korean, has inspired poets, singers and artists struck by its beauty. Koreans on both sides of the border learn about it in school. Now the mountain range is a policy tool in the Cold War's last standoff. At the behest of its government, the South Korean conglomerate Hyundai has operated cruise boat trips to Diamond Mountain on the east coast of North Korea since late 1998. In return, poor, isolated North Korea gets desperately needed hard currency. The tours are the centerpiece of South Korean President Kim Dae-jung's so-called "sunshine" policy, which promotes contacts with the North. The aim is to chip away at the divide between the two Koreas, adversaries in a 1950-53 war. For Pyongyang, the tours are a chance to showcase a site rich in nature in a nation that lacks so much else. Deadly famine hit North Korea in the 1990s, and food shortages persist. Transport is scarce. Most buildings are unheated. Many forests are intact on Diamond Mountain - a sign of how precious the place is for North Korea. Elsewhere, hillsides are barren because people have chopped down trees for firewood. The government preserves dozens of ancient Buddhist temples and pavilions in the area despite state intolerance of religion. Local tourist literature describes the mountain in the superlative style usually reserved for praise of North Korean leader Kim Jong Il and his late father, Kim Il Sung. One pamphlet says in English that "everybody is thrown into ecstasy" at the sight of Diamond Mountain. It continues: "The tops of some peaks look like awls or the point of the painting brushes. So they look sharp. A chain of mountain peaks soaring around remind you of jockeys on a racing course." At one rest stop, South Korean tourists clustered around a boulder-strewn stream, filling bottles with spring water that, according to local lore, delivers eternal life. Kim Choon-ja, a 58-year-old South Korean housewife who visited the mountain, said she had always wondered why it was the subject of so many songs and paintings. "When I saw the mountain with my own eyes, I finally understood why. It's just so beautiful," she said. The totalitarian government has often linked its leaders to nature, which is widely viewed as a source of purity and inspiration. North Korean botanists cultivate flowers named "kimjongilia" and kimilsungia." Inevitably, Diamond Mountain serves as a billboard for the personality cult that has dominated North Korea for half a century. Verses and slogans etched in granite slabs extol Kim Il Sung, whose death in 1994 was met with a nationwide outpouring of grief. Some South Koreans grumble that the carvings sully the mountain, even as North Korea takes pains to appear environmentally conscious. Guides collect extra U.S. currency by fining tourists who litter or take soil or plants as souvenirs. Some environmentalists in Seoul are concerned about Hyundai's plans to build golf courses, ski resorts and hotel complexes at Diamond Mountain. It is unclear whether North Korea, wary of foreign influence, will approve. The Kumgangsan range, which stretches 37 miles from north to south and 25 miles from east and west, is the subject of numerous fables. One tells of fairies who descend from heaven to bathe in a mountain pool, another talks of spirits who play checkers. c Copyright 2000 The Associated Press ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 12:49:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #105 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, CA Taekwondo, and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.