From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #107 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 18 Feb 2000 Vol 07 : Num 107 In this issue: the_dojang: replying to digest the_dojang: Re: Great stuff on Dr. Kimm=Hapkido the_dojang: HKD videotapes available the_dojang: Dartmouth position the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #104 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #104 the_dojang: Re: Dan-bo the_dojang: Re: kwanjangnim the_dojang: Re: Titles the_dojang: High Green Belt [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 775 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, CA Taekwondo, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eumsohae@webtv.net (Steve Bledsoe) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 21:06:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: the_dojang: replying to digest In an earlier posting,a gup sounded very concerned about lack of attention by the head instructor.I cannot sit here and say that he is not paying any attention to you or any other lower gups without being there personally. One thing I do know is while I was first starting out I sometimes felt the same way. Little did I know he was paying attention to me. A lot of teachers will show you a couple of times, then leave you alone to practice by yourself or with a partner.sometimes it doesn't matter how many times you are shown,You still have to figure it out on your own. It can all matter on class size to. If there are alot of low ranked students in the class,There should be more student teachers. one instructor is not enough . Not all teachers are bad. With mine, when you don't think he is watching you better duck.Sometimes you have to wonder if they really have eyes in the back of their head. Later, Steve. ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 18:10:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: Great stuff on Dr. Kimm=Hapkido Ray posted in part: Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 18:06:17 PST Subject: the_dojang: Interview with Do Ju Kimm Very interesting reading re Do Ju Kimm. Permission received from the HMD group to post this interview. Ray Terry> Response: Great job. Powerful stuff. Thanks. McD... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 18:10:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: HKD videotapes available I have an extra set of four (4) videotapes that I brought back from Korea a couple of years ago. They were created by GM KIM Nam-jae and are carried and sold by the KHF. I recieved my sets directly from GM Kim, a great guy. The tapes are in hangul and Korean. Yes, they are authentic. :) The set of four is very nicely packaged. I have only one goal: To find them a very good home. Hopefully someone that could use them for teaching, research/reference, and/or perhaps housed in a library so they'd be available to a wide audience. I got a bit of a price break on them given they didn't have to be shipped, etc. My price to you is what they cost me, which actually I can't recall right this minute :(... Interested? Please contact me via private email. Ray Terry ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 20:48:10 PST Subject: the_dojang: Dartmouth position DARTMOUTH COLLEGE, Hanover, N.H. 03755. The Asian and Middle Eastern Studies Program invites applications for a two-course visitor in Korean Studies during the 2000-01 academic year. The visitor would teach these courses in one Dartmouth term (preferably fall 2000 or Winter 2001). We encourage applicants in all fields of Korean Studies and at all ranks, but are looking for a scholar with a strong commitment to research and proven excellence in undergraduate teaching. This position is the third such offering in a three-year initiative to explore the long-term potential for developing Korean Studies at Dartmouth. Send applications, including cover letter, c.v. and description of two courses to Douglas Haynes, Chair, Korean Studies Committee, Asian and Middle Eastern Studies Program, Dartmouth College. Review of applications will begin early in spring term 2000, and will continue until the position is filled. AA/EOE; women and minorities are encouraged to apply. David.C.Kang@dartmouth.edu (David C. Kang) ------------------------------ From: MichaelChoi@aol.com Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 23:37:45 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #104 To the best of my knowledge, in Korea the following titles are used, if and only if the student actively assists in instruction at the dojang. First dan instructors are called Jo-kyo, which is Chinese-Korean for assistant (jo) instructor (kyo). Second dan instructors are called Kyo-sa, which is Chinese-Korean for instructor, the root for instructor being kyo. Sa is Chinese-Korean which basically means "person who does." Third dan is bu-sabum. Bu means "candidate" or "junior." The English equivalent of bu-sabum is "Sabum in training" or "Sabum candidate." Fourth dan is "Sabum" which my Korean dictionary says is "instructor" or "coach." Sabum is not the same sensei in Japanese. The Chinese characters for sensei would be pronounced Sun-seang in Korean. In Korea currently, sixth dan instructor is called KwanJang. Kwan is Chinese Korean for "House." Most Korean sub-styles are named after the main training hall or "house," such as Moo-Ye-Kwan, Chen-Do-Kwan, MooDukKwan. KwanJangNim does not mean head of the kwan, per se. The head of the Kwan is called Chong KwanJang. The English equivalent is headmaster. For example, there are many regional kwanjang for Hapkido Chon Mu Kwan, but there is only one Chong KwanJang that I know of. The Chong KwanJang position is either elected or appointed within the kwan. For Taekwondo Chungdokwan, there is only one Chong KwanJang. That is Grandmaster Woon Kyu Uhm (also VP of Kukkiwon). DoJu consists of Do or Tao, which is a very esoteric term, rougly meaning "the Way of Life, the Way of Nature, the Way of the Universe, and Ju which is "Lord." The literal word for lord is "JuNim." If you go to a Korean church, you will hear them say "JuNim" which means "Lord (God)." DoJu means head of the Way. As all recognize Yong Sool Choi is the one who "lit" the Hapkido movement "match," he is recognized as the former DoJu. Now, that he is dead, another must continue to supreme head, but due to politics, the title of DoJu is in contention. Taekwondo does not have a DoJu, because it was not created by one man, but through the unification of various martial art schools (e.g., ChungDoKwan, JiDoKwan, SongMooKwan, ChangMuKwan, MooDukKwan, YunMooKwan). KwanJang is generic term. KwanJang is also used in the office. In one of my Korean classes, I learned all the titles of the office, but I already forgot. I think KwanJang would be equivalent to head of a group, possibly akin to Managing Director in the corporate world. My company uses the officer titles associate, vice president, and managing director. Another note, nim is the Chinese Korean word for "sir." Koreans always attach nim when addressing a superior in order to show respect. So, as a color belt, I would address instructors as follows, JoKyoNim, KyoSaNim, BuSabumNim, SabumNim, KwanJangNim, ChongKwanJangNim, DoJuNim. I hope this helps all our non-Korean speaking Taekwondo and Hapkido subscribers. Sincerely, Michael Choi ------------------------------ From: MichaelChoi@aol.com Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 23:37:47 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #104 Just a personal thought. This is a Korean American's opinion, but these comments should not be taken as representative of my people. I really do not care who has a 9th degree in Hapkido because he/she is not my teacher currently. The only thing I care about is that my instructor teaches good Hapkido --physically and mentally. All of you know my background. I posted in the Dojang Digest. I have been blessed to train with very good to excellent instructors, Master Paek Un Chon, Master Myung Il Kim, Master David Herbert, Master Hal Whalen, and Master Mike McCarty. What do I look for? A good educational curriculum based on strikes, kicks, joint-locks, throws, and weapons. The teaching and application of Hapkido's theory Yu-Won-Hwa and Hapkido's philosophy Courtesy, Righteousness, and Perserverence. I hate to break the news to you, but DoJuNim Yong Sool Choi is dead, and unfortunately there's too much dirty laundry politics at the top levels in Korea for DoJuNim to be appointed and universally recognized. Sure, Gen. Chin-il Chang may have been appointed by Yong Sool Choi to succeed him, but I haven't seen one, not one dojang in Korea with his picture. If Gen Chang is DoJu, then maybe someone should tell the Koreans that. Also, Hapkido is just a part of life, like carpentry, painting, football. Hapkido (and martial arts in general) are meant to enhance your life, not dominate it. I'm willing to bet there are many people who are so consumed by martial arts that they are burned out. I am reflecting modern society thinking, but I think that it is healthy. Sure, in the old days, if you trained in martial arts, the master owned you. Just like when one joins the military, they own that person. Just like Jackie Chan and Sammo Hung, who were sold into slavery in the Peking Opera Troupe. But it does not make for a happy person. Why be in slavery? The greatest martial art lesson I ever learned was from my first martial arts instructor, Grandmaster Tae Hee Kim (8th Dan Taekwondo) who always recited at the end of class, during meditation, "respect your parents, respect your teachers, always show love and respect... do not overeat, don't worry, don't be angry, be happy." I encourage everyone to be happy! Do means "Way of Life." If you are a Taekwondo or Hapkido person, the ultimate goal is for your training to positively affect the way you live your life! Martial arts shouldn't be your life, it should be a guide for your life. Be happy! Sincerely, Michael Choi ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 23:53:28 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: Dan-bo << With regards to dan bo, the terminology is either incorrect or infrequent. >> I did not know dan-bo till I went to Korea. The schools in Kangnung use a dan-bo rank. Alain Burrese http://members.aol.com/aburrese/ ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 23:58:53 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: kwanjangnim << I believe that Kwanjang actually means manager or superintendant (according to the dictionary). The characters literally mean head of a -or- the building. We tend to think it is reserved for the martial arts, but it is a fairly generic term in Koera. >> Ray is correct, the title is not just for martial arts. It is for the school owner. They used to call the owner of my Hogwan (English academy) kwanjangnim as well. The first time I heard this, Yi Saeng told me, "Kwanjangnim is not just for Hapkido." An interesting note: Scott Shaw says the title means Grandmaster and you have to be 7th dan (I think, don't have his book, read it at the store) When I told him about the above, he told me he didn't know why they used the term like they did, and that his definition was the "true" meaning of the word. Sort of seemed strange to me that an American was telling me Koreans were using their language wrong. http://members.aol.com/aburrese/ ------------------------------ From: Piotr Bernat Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 22:30:55 +0200 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Titles Rodney wrote: > As he and his master (Jeong Shi-Chool, 7th Dan) explained it to > me, the first through third Dan were advanced students and assistant > instructors. They were to be addressed as "Sabim" or "Sabim Nim" by more > junior students. Can you tell us what exactly "Sabim" means? I never heard that title. Regards - -- Piotr Bernat dantaekwondo@lublin.home.pl http://www.taekwondo.prv.pl ------------------------------ From: Tim Bruening Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 04:21:59 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: High Green Belt Last night, I passed my High Green Belt test (Taekwondo) at Rodness' Karate Center. I did my form, some reverse side kicks, 25 pushups, my one-steps, and test sparring. To my surprise, the testing officials didn't have me do my lower belt forms (White, Orange, or Yellow). They didn't test for lower belt forms until they made 4 Blue Belts do several lower belt forms. Meanwhile, 2 Brown Belts and a Red Belt broke boards. One of the Brown Belts kept missing the board on the upper side while doing a side kick. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 06:30:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #107 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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