From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #108 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 18 Feb 2000 Vol 07 : Num 108 In this issue: the_dojang: Knife the_dojang: Rutgers Univ. the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #107 the_dojang: Re: Test the_dojang: Re: A Martial Artists Qualifications the_dojang: Re: Kimm interview the_dojang: Re: V7 #107: dan bo the_dojang: Re: The attention of your instructor(s) the_dojang: not mine Re: the_dojang: Re: A Martial Artists Qualifications [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 785 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, CA Taekwondo, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. 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James Loriega) ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 6:54:50 PST Subject: the_dojang: Rutgers Univ. JOB ANNOUNCEMENT The Department of East Asian Languages and Cultures invites applications for a position in Korean Language and literature or culture to begin Fall 2000. The position will be a tenure track Assistant Professor with an initial three-year appointment. Specialty is preferable in Korean literature with emphasis on comparative literary theory or cultural studies. Requirements are: 1) a Ph.D. in hand or to be received by the time of appointment, 2) Native or near-native fluency in Korean and English, 3) Evidence of scholarly accomplishment. Teaching duties will include the ability to teach general courses on Korean literature, film, culture or East Asian civilization in addition to language courses at all levels. It is highly desirable that the candidate has competence in a second language and literature or discipline, and can participate in and make a contribution to the general development of East Asian Studies. Salary will be commensurate wth experience. Applicants are requested to send a dossier, including at least three letters of recommendation, a curriculum vitae, and samples of scholarly writings by March 15, 2000 to Chair, Korean Search Committee, Department of East Asian Languages and Cultures, Rutgers University, Scott Hall, 43 College Avenue, New Brunswick, New Jersey 08901 ------------------------------ From: "Vaught, Clifford (CLF N6Y2K8)" Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 10:05:22 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #107 In replying to Michael's very thorough language lesson, just want to add terms straight from the Soo Bahk Do Moo Duk Kwan Gup Manual. I understand that many of the terms and their use as explained by Michael may apply only to Hapkido/TKD. Kwan Jang (Nim) - Grandmaster, head man of Moo Duk Kwan, (Hwang Kee) Sa Bom (Nim) - Master Instructor (4th Dan and up and certified by MDK Federation) Kyo Sa (Nim) - Instructor (1st through 3rd Dan and certified by MDK Federation) Nim - A term of respect similar to "Sir" or "Honorable" Sun Beh (Nim) - Senior member Hu Beh - Junior member Ko Dan Ja - Senior Dan holder (4th Dan and up) You Dan Ja - Dan holder (1st through 3rd Dan) Kwan Won - student member Cho Bo Ja - Beginner As far as I know these are the only terms used to address or describe practitioners within the Moo Duk Kwan. Soo Bahk!! Cliff Vaught ------------------------------ From: d.d.parker@juno.com Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 07:49:13 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Test Congradulations Tim on your promotion! Keep up the good work. Daniel ------------------------------ From: d.d.parker@juno.com Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 08:06:29 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: A Martial Artists Qualifications I have been following the discussion regarding the rankings of various Hapkido Grand Masters with some bewilderment, as I am admittadly clueless about who these individuals are and why there are so many strong feelings out there regarding the subject. I guess there has been a lot of politics within the Hapkido community as has occured within Taekwondo. It all makes me kind of sad as I truly believe that dedicated martial artists should enjoy some sort of spirit of fraternity and respect as we work to better ourselves and our societies through martial arts. I know that I am too idealistic at times. Oh well...... Daniel ------------------------------ From: David Beck Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 09:17:20 -0600 (CST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: Kimm interview > Q: You Now Live In The United States, What Are The Main Differences In > Teaching Martial Arts In Korea And The United States? > > A: Growing up and learning martial arts in the 1950's, we never asked > questions about the instructor's teaching. We always listened carefully and > practiced very hard. If you did not understand the techniques, you had to > practice until you figured it out. It could take a year or it could take many > years. The teacher expected you to learn martial arts through your own > experience. > > The teacher's role in the Orient can be compared as the man who comes down > from the mountaintop. You meet him on your way up and ask him how to climb > the mountain. He then explains his path to the mountaintop to you. If you > listen carefully, you understand and follow his directions, you will reach > the mountaintop by your own trial and error. In other words, teachers want > you to learn by trial and error. > > In the West, the teacher not only explains how to climb the mountain > step-by-step, but also provides the student with a map so the climb can > be made easily. But learning without the experience of trial and error, the > student will not retain the knowledge for a long time. If the student climbs > the mountain a second time a year later without the map, he must relearn the > path because trial and error was not used the first time. Therefore, Oriental > teachers emphasize learning by experience through trial and error. The > western teachers use many visual aides and/or numerous explanations. The > student may learn more quickly, but he may not be able to retain the knowledge > as well. I understand and agree with almost all of Dojunim Kimm's points, but not this one. I *have* seen in Asian traditional martial arts schools this 'trial and error' approach; but primarily in Japanese background schools - -- the instructor shows the technique, the students attempt to do it and have problems, the instructor shows the technique again, repeat ad infinitum... Often with no talking allowed at all on the mat, with a very formal atmosphere. Korean background schools tending to be a little more open, but often still with little feedback. Like the recent question of the person who didn't feel they had their techniques down and never got feedback from their instructor. Many psychological studies have shown differences in *how* people learn -- some learn best by physically doing, some by aurally hearing what to do, some by visually seeing it done, some by mental imagery thinking of something similar. As a teacher I want my students to 'get' the techniques, not perfect their character by overcoming frustrations and doing it wrong 999 times first before they get it right. Yes I want them to have good character, but 'perfect practice makes perfect.' I don't think it helps you a bit to practice incorrectly. So anything I can do to help them get it I will do. As far as retaining the technique once learned, I don't think it has anything to do with how hard it was for the student to 'get' it. I think retaining it has to do with how much it's practiced. *That's* the problem I see with a lot of schools. Blue belts only work on blue belt stuff, etc. No. You must revisit basics constantly. And the 'new' stuff -- I've structured my curriculum such that a *lot* of the 'new' stuff at a level is just variations on 'old' stuff. It's reenforcing the same principles that really makes it sink in. If it's totally new its very hard for most people, when you've done something just a little bit different a lot previously it's fairly easy. BTW, thanks Ray. Very informative interview. David N. Beck Internet:dbeck@usa.alcatel.com WATT Lead Engineer Alcatel USA 1000 Coit Road Plano, Texas 75075 ** Opinions expressed are not those of Alcatel USA ** ------------------------------ From: samiller@Bix.Com Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 12:00:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: V7 #107: dan bo I'm not certain if this thread was only in reference to hap ki do rank, but the "dan bo" or "cho dan bo" rank defined as "zero gup", "black belt in waiting", or "black belt candidate" is fairly common in Tang Soo Do schools in the Middle Atlantic region of the US, and AFAIK not uncommon in Tae Kwon Do here. My system represents this rank with a red belt with two white stripes and one black. YMMV. ><< With regards to dan bo, the terminology is either incorrect or >infrequent. >>> > >I did not know dan-bo till I went to Korea. The schools in Kangnung use a >dan-bo rank. === Tang Soo! Scott ------------------------------ From: CA&B Skjold Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 10:06:35 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The attention of your instructor(s) I am going to have to agree with Mr. Steve Bledsoe, that just when you think your instructors is not paying attention to you he is. I believe they do this to see if you are listening and following the instructions they give and like Mr. Steve said it doesn't matter how often you are show by your instructors it is ultimately up to you to practice and to perfect your technique. Your instructors are there to guide you and correct if they think you need it. They expect you to strive to do your best on your own it's all part of the learning process. Anne Skjold 8th Gup. PS. Congratulations to Mr. Tim Bruening on his belt promotion test. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 09:23:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: not mine I suspect that there is no confusion on this point, but just in case there is... The interview with HanMuDo's Do Ju KIMM was simply posted to the list by me. I had no other involvement other than asking for permission to post it here as I found it informative. Just wanted to make sure folks didn't think I was otherwise involved in the interview (other than wishing I had been :). Ray Terry ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 9:59:14 PST Subject: Re: the_dojang: Re: A Martial Artists Qualifications > I have been following the discussion regarding the rankings of various > Hapkido Grand Masters with some bewilderment, as I am admittadly clueless > about who these individuals are and why there are so many strong feelings > out there regarding the subject. I guess there has been a lot of > politics within the Hapkido community as has occured within Taekwondo. > It all makes me kind of sad as I truly believe that dedicated martial > artists should enjoy some sort of spirit of fraternity and respect as we > work to better ourselves and our societies through martial arts. I know > that I am too idealistic at times. Oh well...... Agreed. IMHO,,, we have all made mistakes in the past. All of our instructors have made mistakes in the past. And all of their instructors have done the same. If someone looks close enough they can always find something that perhaps wasn't/isn't entirely on the up-and-up. Unfortunately, some care to only focus on a few minuses and ignore a multitude of plusses. Thus creates the world of politics. Time to move on? Thanks. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 11:18:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #108 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, CA Taekwondo, and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.