From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #111 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Sat, 19 Feb 2000 Vol 07 : Num 111 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #107 the_dojang: Digest V7 #109-Giddens...entrance interviews the_dojang: Re: kwanjangnim the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #110 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #109 Re: the_dojang: HKD videotapes available [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 785 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, CA Taekwondo, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MichaelChoi@aol.com Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 23:38:15 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #107 The rank bo-dan (pronounced boo-dahn) or dan-bo definitely exists. Dojangs may do different things. Some say TangSooDo MooDukKwan, while others say MooDukKwan TangSooDo. It doesn't change the meaning if you use bo-dan or dan-bo, as long as they communicate the same Chinese characters that it comes from. Sorry Alain if I offended you. You are definitely more qualified to speak about Hapkido in Korea then I am. At most I only trained a few months in Korea. I'm curious. For all of you who have trained in Korea as a color belt during the past five years, did you receive a (gub) certificate when you passed your belt tests. I took a couple of gub tests in Korea, but I was never issued a certificate. I'm just wondering if that's common practice in Korea. Sincerely, Mike ------------------------------ From: Oregfightingarts@aol.com Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 23:42:14 EST Subject: the_dojang: Digest V7 #109-Giddens...entrance interviews Mr. Giddens, I interview students at length. I want to discover why they want the training, and I like to make sure that they know exactly what they will be doing when they train under me, then I have them sign on the dotted line on my very thourough risk agreement. People have many reasons for wanting to train. It is my job as an instructor to show them the way to the path they want to walk, and to make sure they know of all the other paths as well. I also have another written questionaaire, which covers brief medical/training/scholastic histories. I have them rate themselves in several catagories like fitness, self defense ability, expectations, etc. I show this same sheet to them years later...it always brings smiles. Once they start training, I pay close attention to them for negative & positive qualities...and yes, I have discontinued training several students. Hope this helps, Mark Gajdostik Oregon Fighting Arts/ TNT-Police Combatives ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 01:31:40 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: kwanjangnim << Perhaps this is the source of Mr. Shaw's confusion Alain? >> Actually, it is me that said Kwanjangnim was used for the owner of the hogwan. Shaw said I was wrong. (Or he said he didn't know why the Koreans were using the term like that, but his definition was the "true" definition) But I was not confused in hearing. When I heard this, I thought "why are you calling him Kwanjangnim?" I had only used the term for the owner of my Hapkido school. Then Yi Saeng told me that Kwanjangnim was not just for Hapkido. Not just because we are engaged, but because she is Korean, is why I tended to believe her definition rather than Shaw's, an American. I am not fluent in Korean yet, but still studying. But I do know that some of the Korean teachers called Mr. Kim, the owner of my hogwan, Kwanjangnim. I also know that once when watching a video of a Hapkido demo in Seoul, my instructor Sabomnim Lee Jun-kyu pointed at a woman and said, "Kwanjangnim." He was not saying she was a 7th dan like Shaw said you had to be for that title, because she was not that high. But she owned her own Hapkido school, and that's why he called her that. So these were just my experiences with the term. I'm not saying it is not used differently by others, but this was my experience in Korea. When Yi Saeng gets back over here, I'll have her as a resource to help. Yours in Training, Alain Burrese http://members.aol.com/aburrese/ ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 03:42:29 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #110 In a message dated 2/18/00 8:27:38 PM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Our contracts are only for three months and there are no written renewals, just mutual agreement to continue. >> Vic, How does your insurance company feel about this "assumed" agreement with your students since it was only legally signed for 3 months only? Illona ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 04:07:31 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #109 In a message dated 2/18/00 2:32:56 PM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << when a new student wishes to sign up, what are your procedures for taking them in? >> I sign them up on our $69 introductory program ... that includes a uniform and 8 weeks of lessons. At the end of 8 weeks I send out a letter letting them know that their 8 weeks are coming to an end with a filled out Evaluation sheet on what I have observed of that student in the 8 weeks they were with us. I also resend them our program sheet with our prices on it. If they call back and make an appointment to sign up ... fine. But I chase no one down and give them a sales talk or anything. I don't high pressure anyone into joining. On the evaluation sheet that is given to them I express my thoughts on whether or not they are ready to take martial arts (some people bring me really young kids and I am honest with them ... some simply don't want to really do this either). This has worked extremely well for me so I have continued it for the last 2 years. Illona ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 7:39:55 PST Subject: Re: the_dojang: HKD videotapes available > ... I would > be very interested in these tapes, alternatively if you know any other > sources where I could purchase these tapes I would be grateful if you > would let me know. I believe that these videos are also available direct from the Korea Hapkido Federation: The Korea Hapkido Federation 18-11 Rung-dong Kwangjin-ku Seoul 143-180 Korea (02) 452-3538 FAX: (02) 456-0953 If you don't speak Korean, you might FAX them a letter and give them time to write back on how to obtain these tapes. Or perhaps one of our subscribers in Seoul wouldn't mind calling and asking them and then posting the results of their investigation.?.?. I believe that they might also be sold at the little store outside the Kukkiwon, if you're headed over there soon... :) Or this from a past issue of the_dojang: >> Regarding the 4-tape Hapkido series from Seoul's Master KIM Nam-Jae, student under GM JI Han-Jae when he was still in Seoul, they are now available in the USA. Master KIM Yong Sool in the San Diego, Calif. area will be ready to sell them next week. He still has to pick them up at Customs. The audio of these tapes is, I believe, in Korean. But the techniques are well demonstrated so IMHO you don't really need the English audio (assuming you don't speak Korean). Master KIM Yong Sool can be reached at his dojang on 619-479-3399. The cost is $120.00, and that covers tax, shipping, etc. Your best bet to catch him in the dojang is to call after 5:00 PM PDT. You're probably better off waiting until Monday or so to call, assuming you are interested in ordering a set of the tapes. If he is not in the dojang his answering machine will pick-up. << I do not know if the above info re KIM Yong-sool is still accurate or not. 619 may have a new area code by now. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 07:51:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #111 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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