From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #113 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Sun, 20 Feb 2000 Vol 07 : Num 113 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: martial arts lists the_dojang: Re: Master Whalen and video tapes=hit me again with info the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #107 the_dojang: Karate Boards the_dojang: In the day the_dojang: re: videotapes [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 785 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, CA Taekwondo, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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What I've come to realize is that, like a good formal debate, a moderator is often a key element for maintaining decorum and providing a friendly atmosphere for discussions. In the end, this type of atmosphere will benefit all those who choose to be a part of it. Without a moderator, flames are often inevitable. What I've found is that no matter how innocuously I've tried to present some of my ideas and experiences on some lists, tkd.net and others, some readers find ways to construe them as personal attacks by interpreting them out of context and through their own set of filters. Being a moderator of a debate is truly a skill. Ray Terry is a good example of a skilled moderator. I've never felt the venom on this list that I've felt while on other lists, even while discussing the same hot topics. I have left other less skillfully moderated and or unmoderated lists, including tkd.net. I enjoy the dojang digest. Especially when it is lively. As I said, I've even gotten into some of the more controversial topics here, without ending up as the punching bag for a few weak egos. I try to remain respectful and un-emotional and present my ideas in the clearest way I can. Sometimes, a moderator is the only way to keep flames from burning out of control. I am on a couple of other unmoderated lists. These lists are more homogenous in membership. I haven't had any negative experiences there either, but, maybe this is because the groups are more homogenous. Out of all of these discussions, I've made some very good friends and I've learned a lot. This has not been my experience with all m.a. lists. Perhaps it's a lot like finding a dojang. :^) You need to find one where you can learn, freely and feel comfortable in. I thank Ray Terry for making my experience here a good one. Please keep up the good work. Respectfully Laura Kamienski - -- lkamiens@ptd.net lkamnski@bucknell.edu http://home.switchboard.com/LKamienski ____________________________________________________ "I am not an angry girl. Though it seems I've got everyone fooled. Every time I say something they find hard to hear, they chalk it up to my anger and never to their own fear." Ani DiFranco ____________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 16:43:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: Master Whalen and video tapes=hit me again with info Master Whalen commented on video tapes: Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 12:39:18 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: Tapes I also have a copy of those tapes and they are great my instructor gave me a copy while I was in Korea this past Fall.If you have a chance to see them or obtain them they are some of the best on the market.> Response: Gosh, I got so preoccupied with my diatribe in another post that I forgot to write down the information supplied by Master Whalen. Again, how can I get those tapes. Are these the ones Ray offered ? Cost, and content again. I have calmed down and have my focus back. McD.. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "Rodney G. Graves" Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 21:29:01 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #107 Mr. Bernat, My Korean language skills are at best so so. That's why I was carefull to explain it the way I did. The entymology was never explained to me. V/R Rod At 06:49 AM 2/18/00 -0800, you wrote: >------------------------------ > > >From: Piotr Bernat >Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 22:30:55 +0200 >Subject: the_dojang: Re: Titles > >Can you tell us what exactly "Sabim" means? I never heard that title. > >Rodney wrote: > > > As he and his master (Jeong Shi-Chool, 7th Dan) explained it to > > me, the first through third Dan were advanced students and assistant > > instructors. They were to be addressed as "Sabim" or "Sabim Nim" by more > > junior students. > >Regards >- -- >Piotr Bernat >dantaekwondo@lublin.home.pl >http://www.taekwondo.prv.pl > > >------------------------------ > >From: Tim Bruening >Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 04:21:59 -0800 >Subject: the_dojang: High Green Belt > >Last night, I passed my High Green Belt test (Taekwondo) at Rodness' Karate >Center. I did my form, some reverse side kicks, 25 pushups, my one-steps, >and test sparring. To my surprise, the testing officials didn't have me do >my lower belt forms (White, Orange, or Yellow). They didn't test for lower >belt forms until they made 4 Blue Belts do several lower belt forms. >Meanwhile, 2 Brown Belts and a Red Belt broke boards. One of the Brown >Belts kept missing the board on the upper side while doing a side kick. > >------------------------------ > >From: Ray Terry >Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 06:30:31 -0800 (PST) >Subject: [none] > > >------------------------------ > >End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #107 >******************************** > > It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. >US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 >719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com > >To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: > unsubscribe the_dojang-digest > -or- > unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address >in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to >majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. > >Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. > >Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, CA Taekwondo, and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply. ------------------------------ From: Tim Bruening Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 22:23:05 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: Karate Boards How big are the boards used for board breaking? ------------------------------ From: "hkdhal" Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 09:49:17 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: In the day I have received several letters about my training experience in Korea in the "Days of Old" Things have changed dramatically throughout the martial arts world not only in Hapkido the arts in general,One has to wonder if we are going forward or are we going backwards I personally have seen a lot of changes that sometimes scare me. When I first stepped off the plane at Osan Airforce base in 1976 it was a feeling of I have finally arrived and I belong here,Well the orders in my bag's reassured me this was my new home of residence at least for the next several months (18) If I was to survive I would not count the day's but make day's count that was the most important thing I brought to Korea with me,Also the fact this was my first assignment after completing the (Q) course at JFK Special Warfare Center at the time it was Camp Mackell outside of but attached to Fort Bragg.When we arrived at Osan we received the usual look's we always receive and it makes you feel a little uncomfortable,Maybe it was due to the fact we were the only people that wore cammies except for the rangers and we also had our weapons checked in through baggage we were escorted to an awaiting vehicle and escorted to a base in Seoul attached to Yongsan.To the Tourist it is up the street from Eatay Won (Spelled Wrong) . Opon arriving to my new base to draw upon the memories of you old timers it was the day the killed the lieutenant and his detail trimming trees at Panmoojan .After several days I wondered downtown to the village actually I ran with my pack to keep my legs in shape since my unit only ran 6 miles I was afraid I would fall out of shape.(remember I had just Graduated from Q course we ran 12 a day) On that first day to the village I found a Hapkido school owned by Master Won,Kil Soo Whom was and is Hapkido Chen do kwan there was no-one in his Dojang So I did a little sneaky Pete and toured the school noting all possible escape routes and anything that could be used to my advantage if need be I headed back home to my Barracks somewhat disappointed no-one was there I wold return. The next evening they had class and the instructor said welcome back (He later told me he had observed me from across the street since I came out empty handed I was not a "Slickey Boy" I would be back) I introduced myself and he asked if I wished to try his class and being a little cocky I told him that is why I returned .He then asked if I knew any Hapkido and I explained my background and told him I was a blue belt which was a lie (sort of ) You see while attending the Q course the Instructor that taught Combative also had a background in Hapkido this does not mean S.F teaches Hapkido that was this instructors Martial Arts Background . As I have ranks in several Martial Arts I hold rank in Judo, Also Tae KwonDo and Back then they called it moodukkwan I was a 1st Gueb ,And A nikyu in Judo so between the fact I could throw you or Kick and the Jointlocks I had learned at The "Q" course and the endless Knife defense and weapon defense,I thought I could pull this off.Also I had asked the Instructor at Bragg Whom stated we were equal to about a Blue Belt level.So it was safe to assume I had some Martial Arts background at the time it was (10) years. Master Won Asked where was my Dobok? and I told him I did not bring one and he shook his head and stated Good Hapkido man Bring Dobok now we see your Hapkido actions at this point he handed me a uniform that smelled like it had seen some action ,Show me your Hapkido and one by one his Black Belts attacked me, Not to kill me but to test me one by one for two hours I defended I was exhausted as were my attackers.Finally master Won asked do you know Knife? Hmm let me see He grabbed a knife and I stated I have never defended against a rubber knife,Wrong statement to make he then when back to his office and came out With a real one and told his assistant to "cut him" this was said in Korean so I would not understand.I tore him up this was when 85% of what S.F loves to deal with a knife at the end of this ordeal I had bruised rib's, a cut lip, a swollen cheek,And a gash over my eye.But I was still standing and they were still smiling.I was invited back the next night to train with them so I took them up on there offer and ran back to my barracks four miles the most painful run I ever ran. The next day I returned to the Dojang and was invited into the office where I met several Of the Black Belts from the night before they looked as bad as I did which some how made my aches disappear ,I was invited to join the class and Master Won Handed me A new Dobok and said in Korean Welcome to my class ,And to the shock of his students and himself I stated ( Hangook Mal chokum otta sum ni da) which means I understand a little of your language it took them all back,And I know the thought of the statement cut him is while they all had aches and pains that day.The class was called to attention and I was called up front and Master Won gave a long speech in Korean shook my hand and promoted me to red Belt in Hapkido,It was only the beginning I trained every night at the Dojang it was a special class three hours six day's a week and when I was out doing my army stuff I always took one less pair of Cammies and would cramm my dobok in and find some remote Dojang or Korean Soldiers to train with it took me fourteen months from that day to make Black Belt and the first Non Korean from that gym. I hope this gives a little taste about what is was like for me and I still have the same fire in my belly as I Did then and they still love as they proved in Nov when I returned with Mike McCarty to visit and train,Maybe some day I'll tell how I repelled out of a Huey through there window, For fun because I was in the field and late for training. Hal Whalen ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 08:40:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: re: videotapes > Response: Gosh, I got so preoccupied with my diatribe in another post that > I forgot to write down the information supplied by Master Whalen. Again, > how can I get those tapes. Are these the ones Ray offered ? Cost, and > content again. Details in issue v07.n111. Ray Terry ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 08:44:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #113 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, CA Taekwondo, and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.