From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #120 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Tues, 22 Feb 2000 Vol 07 : Num 120 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: absolute the_dojang: RE: ITF weapons the_dojang: martial arts, SD and politics the_dojang: Fw: Feb Seminar in MS. the_dojang: Re: the value of a feminist approach to SD Re: the_dojang: Tang Soo Do Hyungs [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 785 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, CA Taekwondo, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Laura Kamienski Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 16:38:32 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: absolute Vic wrote: > I am not of the mind to agree that no men can ever train > women in self defense. me either. Laura - -- lkamiens@ptd.net lkamnski@bucknell.edu http://home.switchboard.com/LKamienski ____________________________________________________ "I am not an angry girl. But it seems I've got everyone fooled. Every time I say something they find hard to hear, they chalk it up to my anger and never to their own fear." Ani DiFranco ____________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: Robert Martin Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 14:36:54 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: RE: ITF weapons The ITF does not have any weapon requirements for any rank per say although each instructor has the freedom to ask things that are above and beyond what the ITF requires for testing. In the United States, the USTF (ITF rep. in the US) requires a self-defense (Ho Sin Sul) against one armed opponent for persons testing for 3rd Dan. This is most often a knife or club. While this is supposed to be a defense routine it has given many of us the oppurtunity to work with weapons within our own schools. This was a fairly major change in USTF/ITF policy. Regards, Bob Martin ------------------------------ From: Laura Kamienski Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 16:51:45 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: martial arts, SD and politics With regard to Vic's post, I feel compelled to point out martial arts by its very definition, inception and conception are political. War is political and the history of martial arts is deeply rooted in war. There is no separating the two. SD for women is also very political. It has been an integral part of the women's movement since it's inception. Since there has been a covert and overt war waged against women for centuries, the feminist movement has incorporated SD into its arsenal of defense. Therefore, I don't think there is any possibility of separating the two here either. As far as the 'debate' getting out of control. I will not entertain any flames. Vic, I must point out that by focussing on me and not on the issues presented you are headed toward a flame yourself, though I admire your care in wording. To all, I made the mistake of addressing all personal and out of context attacks about this topic in the past. Therefore, I will ignore any posts making derogatory or demeaning personal references to avoid the issue being polarized into a flame war. I welcome sincere, focussed and intelligent opposition to this issue. Laura - -- lkamiens@ptd.net lkamnski@bucknell.edu http://home.switchboard.com/LKamienski ____________________________________________________ "I am not an angry girl. But it seems I've got everyone fooled. Every time I say something they find hard to hear, they chalk it up to my anger and never to their own fear." Ani DiFranco ____________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: "hkdhal" Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 16:59:35 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: Fw: Feb Seminar in MS. Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2000 1:59 PM Subject: Feb Seminar in MS. > After having a long talk with J.R West this afternoon I let J.R know that I > could not attend this weekend as much as I wish I could,Everything with my > divorce is coming to a head the Lawyers are tougher than any Martial Artist > and they can rip out vital organs without a strike.I believe My wives lawyer > is a ninja she attacks and I never see it coming and when they attack it is > all or death (mine) I hope you can laugh with me it helps me keep the > sanity.To those that were attending the seminar that I planed on meeting I > will be there next time and I apologize to anyone that may have been misled > by abrupt cancellation and to my wives lawyer (well I can't say what I > really think). > Hal ------------------------------ From: sarah@home-school.com (Sarah Pride) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 16:51:54 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: the value of a feminist approach to SD Hey Laura, hey Cliff, Each of you has some good points here, from different views and experiences of different women in martial arts classes. Cliff apparently lives in a small-town community where women or anyone do _not_ live in constant fear. I myself have never in my entire life been in fear of assault from a man. Nobody should make general statements about any group of people in general, because honestly, a lot of the time the general statements only apply to a small portion of the group. Also, I don't think Cliff's comments were flames at all. They seemed intelligent and full of legitimate concerns about what Laura has posted. I go to a coed martial-arts school, and got my yellow belt about a month ago (8th gup I think). Never once have I felt uncomfortable around the male students, or intimidated by anything other than that they are (mostly) much bigger than me! However, quite a large group of women have no self-confidence whatsoever. It is of these women that Laura was speaking. These women are the 'easy targets' for the bad guys, because they have no feeling of their own self-worth (I hate that word, but it is appropriate). For these women in particular, and all women at least a little bit, having a positive atmosphere geared specifically towards them would be extremely helpful. That is why the all-female dojos. It's not about women being better than men or having more rights, it's about a lot of women having trouble dealing with men in intense situations without building their confidence first. We're more emotional-type critters, different from you guys. So we often need different handling. :) That's all. Different, not better or worse. All that aside, I can now talk about helpful techniques for use in women's SD classes. :) I think it would be very interesting to have a sort of "exchange" program with a "normal" dojo nearby, so some of the more confident women could see what it's like to be in a "normal" class for a couple of weeks. Of course the exchange could only be women from each dojo, but still it would make for a fascinating thing to try. - -Sarah Pride- A 16-year-old TKD student ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 14:56:12 PST Subject: Re: the_dojang: Tang Soo Do Hyungs > >>Check out 'Tang Soo Do, Soo Bahk Do, Moo Duk Kwan, Vol. 2', by Grandmaster > Hwang Kee. > > Ray, has the book mentioned above a ISBN #? The book is at home and I'm not. But I think you can still order it through the US SBD Hdq at 973-467-3971. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 15:20:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #120 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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