From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #124 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Thur, 24 Feb 2000 Vol 07 : Num 124 In this issue: the_dojang: SD method that works / book recommendation the_dojang: kim's post the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #118 the_dojang: re: dojang digest V7 #123 the_dojang: re: hapkido dojangs the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #121 the_dojang: RE:The Men vs. Women Issue the_dojang: Hood College provides Women's self-defense skills class the_dojang: Love of Facts the_dojang: Postings on Dojang Digest the_dojang: Politics and the martial arts. the_dojang: Korean martial arts and weapons the_dojang: Re: Weapons the_dojang: Chosun dynasty royal records on the net ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 785 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, CA Taekwondo, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Laura Kamienski Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 20:37:13 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: SD method that works / book recommendation Chaney wrote: since you asked, I use two ancient methods handed down in secrecy, generation to generation, by female transportation workers. Here, I shall reveal these ancient ways for the first time ever!! snip... Loved this post Chaney...It's a keeper in my 'teaching advice' file. Gonna shift the topic here a bit. There is a great book called "Her Wits About Her - Self Defense Success Stories by Women" edited by Denise Caignon and Gail Groves. It contains lots of true stories by women with and without any training. It's fantastic...though out of print I'm afraid. Anyway...in the introduction, there is a marvelous story about a woman who is on a subway and some guy grabs her butt. She reaches down, picks up his hand, places it over her head and yells at the top of her voice, "Hey did anybody lose this, I found it on my ass!" SD with humor....fantastic! :^) I open many of my SD seminars with this story and by reading another from that book. Just the realization that we can and are capable of fighting back is new to a lot of the women I've taught. If you find a copy of it, snatch it up quickly. Laura K. - -- lkamiens@ptd.net lkamnski@bucknell.edu http://home.switchboard.com/LKamienski ____________________________________________________ "I am not an angry girl. But it seems I've got everyone fooled. Every time I say something they find hard to hear, they chalk it up to my anger and never to their own fear." Ani DiFranco ____________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: Laura Kamienski Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 20:42:29 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: kim's post IMHO, - - ---Kim P.S. A feminist is a person who believes in the political, social, and economic equality of the sexes and fights for same (which means a whole lot of us). You know I've posted this statement dozens of times in almost exactly the same way. hmmmmm..... Laura - -- lkamiens@ptd.net lkamnski@bucknell.edu http://home.switchboard.com/LKamienski ____________________________________________________ "I am not an angry girl. But it seems I've got everyone fooled. Every time I say something they find hard to hear, they chalk it up to my anger and never to their own fear." Ani DiFranco ____________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: Mike A Calhoun Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 20:32:15 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #118 I agree, and I stand corrected. I was focusing on the typing, and not the thought. Mike On another thought, one of the most intelligent and disciplined posts I've read on this list came from a 16 year old gold belt. Kind of restores your faith in the species, doesn't it. I'm sure glad I got my daughter into at 8, and I hope she has your level of maturity at 16. Heck I wish I had it at 35! ;) Mike ------------------------------ From: Arthur Lee <7akl3@qlink.queensu.ca> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 21:08:12 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: re: dojang digest V7 #123 From: "Gary Liddington" Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 21:57:04 -0000 Subject: the_dojang: FW: Teaching methods... Hi all, Currently my instructor and I teach in the range of 15-17 juniors (6years to 13 year olds) all in the same lesson. Now when only one of us is available to teach the number of students can sometimes seem overwhelming also some of our children have behaviour problems. Asking the opinion of some of the esteemed instructors on this board is it would be wise to split the older students into a senior class? Basically so we have more time with just the juniors. Erm, I think I put that across ok.. Thanks for the help. Tang Soo! Gary I understand you fully, and in my TKD class (way back when...), we did the same, we had members ranging in the ages of 4 to 40+ (I never really asked how old the adults were...), and at that time we split up the class into three. While we might have had only 5 or so people per class, this meant a more intensive and a better teacher to student ratio in our classes. Also I felt that there is a different technique to teaching children as opposed to adolescents as well as adults. The older people feel kinda odd when they see the little kids spread their legs out like rubber, while they themselves can't, or their reaction times in comparison to the kids (I know that stretching, and reaction aren't the #1 requirements in TKD, but still... I hope you understand my meaning and not take it the wrong way...8)) If there happen to be too many people in the same age group for one instructor to handle then I say divide up the class into belt/experience divisions (however your system works), and in this way the instructors can teach the higher belts more advanced techniques that are built upon the basic techniques that the lower belts have yet to learn. Hope this helps... Arthur 2nd Dan WTF TKD 2nd Gup HDG ------------------------------ From: Arthur Lee <7akl3@qlink.queensu.ca> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 21:13:54 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: re: hapkido dojangs From: JBoorstein@aol.com Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 17:28:12 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #116 Catching up on dojang digests here, so perhaps someone has already answered this question. If not, New York Martial Arts Center, 598 Broadway (corner of Houston) in New York teaches hapkido. 431.1100 is the phone number. JB while you guys are still on the thread of local Hapkido dojangs... how about around Toronto? I there somewhere I can check for other Hapkido dojang locations in Canada? Arthur 2nd Dan WTF TKD 2nd Gup HDG ------------------------------ From: Mike A Calhoun Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 20:09:45 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #121 First flame, last flame. Enjoy the Martial life. With respect and humility to all here, Mike ------------------------------ From: Scott Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 22:38:00 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE:The Men vs. Women Issue <<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>> To all Martial Artist discussing this topic; Call me naive but I thought part of our training and philosophy allowed for equality no matter what when in the dojang? I have been taught that no matter who we are outside of martial arts (man-woman, black-white, cop-crook) that all these things did not matter. Whether in Tae Kwon Do, Hapkido, or in the training of self defense. We are all students of our arts not man-woman, black-white, cop-crook, etc. Sincerely, Anne Skjold (8th Gup - Tae Kwon Do) <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>> I totally agree Anne, except for the crook. ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 19:39:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Hood College provides Women's self-defense skills class Having lurked in silence over the women's self-defense issue(s), an interesting "thang" occurred when I returned from martial arts class tonight (in class we went over forms, stick forms, sparring techniques, and trapping skills=good and comprehensive class). So I get home. I pour myself a liquid refreshment (the kind I will not elaborate on here. Suffice it to say it is not orange juice), and open the Frederick News Post newspaper. Interesting article floats by me entitled, "Hood College giving women self-defense skills." I part with my friend in my right hand (the glass containing the secret liquid refreshment), and read further. Here is what I read, in short...(note: Hood College is located in Frederick, Maryland). "Hood College's self-defense class for women teaches much more than physical preparedness. It involves a lot of conversation about avoidance, said Tim Duff, Hood's campus safety director and the instructor for the free class. The Rape Aggression Defense (RAD) approach to personal safety embodies a practical blend of threat avoidance and real-world assault resistance tactics for women, Mr. Duff said. RAD's goal is to reduce victimization through informed decision-making and sensible action...In the 10 years since its inception, nearly 2,100 instructors have been certified through the RAD system...In turn, these instructors have taught the student-level programs to more than 46,000 women and children in the U.S. alone." In sum, something to ponder. I continue to the next page. I also use my right hand to pick up my glass. Another day in my rather mundane existance. McD... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "John Groff" Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 20:04:31 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: Love of Facts Chris Wrote: <<"Uh, you do realize that you are engaging in exactly what you deny others: stating an infallible truth. If no one is infallible then neither is the above remark. Sorry. It can't be true that there is no truth. Part of the Martial Arts is philosophy, that is "the love of wisdom." "<< I didn't phrase it as an "infalliable truth", and didn't intend on you interpreting it as such. Fact is fact regardless of what I'd like to believe, and phrenology, etc. are out. I am only too aware of my many, many faults (I could fill a couple encyclopendia sets...). I could have taken up more space explaining the point that, that just because someone tells us, or "it is written", does not mean it is factual (as opposed to simple "truth", which is based on personal interpretation, such as faith in god, our style is best, etc). Not all traditions are good or scientifically viable, no matter how much we love. [But if anyone has discovered factual evidence to show that the sun does go around the earth, please share :-) ] Chaney Hardman ------------------------------ From: MichaelChoi@aol.com Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 23:34:43 EST Subject: the_dojang: Postings on Dojang Digest Sorry Ray. I'll make my postings less verbose. Sincerely, Michael Choi ------------------------------ From: Scott Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 23:48:56 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Politics and the martial arts. Laura Wrote: >However, the point here is that when women enter the dojang to learn to >undo the established roles of submission and passivity, that is a >political decision and action. You can't remove the politics from that. I see it different. Politics don't have any place in the martial arts or Self-defense. I have never had a WSD student tell me that the reason she was taking the class is to improve the social status of her gender. Many want to become less passive or submissive. But it's for their own personal growth and safety. Not to change socities established roles. Politics are what forced me to leave my original instructor after 13 years of training there. I absolutely HATE them. And I don't use that four letter word lightly. Martial Arts are about personal growth. When I go to train I want to focus on improveng myself. When I teach a student my concern is for the well being and improvement of that student. Especially with my WSD students. They have enough obstacals to overcome. Granted in the long run good martial arts training could have the effect of getting someone envolved in politics because of the confidence she gains from the training. She might even change the underlying social fabric of the world. Great!!! But that has nothing to do with me. I simply want all my students to learn respect for themselves and others, and how to enforce that respect if needed. But then agian I want George Foreman to run for president. So what do I know. :-) Scott "Before you criticize someone walk a mile in his shoes. That way if he gets mad he will be a mile away and bare foot" ------------------------------ From: Scott Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 00:12:02 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Korean martial arts and weapons My first instructor always said that his favorite weapons where his hands. He also explaned that was why he prefered TKD to other styles was because there were no weapons to rely on. However as he taught me HKD he reluctantly showed me the Jang Bong, Dan Bong, Sword, Knife, Cane, and Belt. And even threw in nunchucks for flavor. He was very impressive with all of them. Last year I attended a Seminar in Florida with Grand Master Seo, In Sun. Another very impressive martial artist. He made a very intresting comment during the seminar. Through his son in law he told us that if the style doesn't include the sword and long staff (jang bong) it is not considered a "traditional" korean martial art. The seminar included work on jang bong, dan bong, sword, knife, belt and fan. Scott ------------------------------ From: Piotr Bernat Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 07:21:04 +0200 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Weapons At least one ITF styled group in Holland, namely the Nederlandse Taekwon-Do Associatie (NTA) which was the original ITF organisation in that country, have a weapon pattern in their curriculum. I don`t really remeber the name, but it`s a pattern done with a short stick with a rope that can be put around the waist. I have it recorded on the video since it was presented once during a tournament in Eindhoven (Holland). However, this group is no longer member of the ITF. I have no idea where the pattern came from. Regards - -- Piotr Bernat dantaekwondo@lublin.home.pl http://www.taekwondo.prv.pl ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 22:29:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Chosun dynasty royal records on the net Good news! The entire Chosun dynasty royal records on CD-ROM, also the History of Koryu Dynasty and a bunch of other stuff can be used through the internet. Look up www.lib.cau.ac.kr/cdrom/hancd3.htm. - ----------------------------- Henny (Lee Hae Kang) Feel free to visit http://www.henny-savenije.demon.nl and feel the thrill of Hamel discovering Korea (1653-1666) http://user.chollian.net/~savenije Western maps about Korea (1500~1800) ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #124 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, CA Taekwondo, and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.