From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #128 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 25 Feb 2000 Vol 07 : Num 128 In this issue: the_dojang: Mitar the_dojang: Welcome! the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #126 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #126 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #126 the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #127 the_dojang: patch thanks [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~800 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, CA Taekwondo, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MichaelChoi@aol.com Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 20:32:38 EST Subject: the_dojang: Mitar Hello Mitar, It's great to get a posting from Serbia! In terms of differences between Taekwondo and Hapkido, let's start with theory. Taekwondo is based on the premise that there are five elements of power: 1. Reaction force 2. Speed 3. Breath Control 4. Concentration 5. Equilibrium. The textbook/foundation of Taekwondo is forms. One practices the techniques of Taekwondo as they are combined in the forms until the movement is second nature. The aim is to destroy one's opponent with power that is developed through Taekwondo practice. WTF Sport Taekwondo is based on scoring techniques through the use of Taekwondo kicks. The Taekwondo player utilizes footwork, feinting, and other tactical tools in order to gather the most points in a match. Hapkido's theory is encapsulated in the words YU WON HWA. Yu is Sino-Korean for soft. (Sino is an English prefix which means "Chinese.") Hapkido is based on soft movements. There are no hard blocks, like Taekwondo. Rather, one deflects, parries, or sidesteps the opponents attack. Won is Sino-Korean for circle. The majority of Hapkido techniques are circular, that is, one must move their arms/hands in a circular fashion and one's footwork must be circular (i.e., pivot) when delivering techniques. Also, Hapkido practitioner views his personal space as a circle. As long as agression does not penetrate one's personal circle, one has no need to react to aggression. Hwa stands for harmony. Hapkido never meets force with force. Rather, it harmonizes with aggression. So, when an attack comes, instead of blocking it, a Hapkido person absorbs the blow (by parrying, side-stepping, etc.) and redirects the force back into the attacker. To see a demonstration of YU WON HWA, watch Grandmaster Jin Pal Kim's video clips at www.jinpal.com or Master Geoff Booth's video clips at hapkido.netro.com.au. With regards to Hapkido instructors in Serbia, you should try contacting either the Korea Hapkido Association, Korea Hapkido Federation, DaeHan KiDoHwe, or Int'l Hapkido Federation. They are main hapkido organizations in Korea that have sent master instructors around the world. Sorry, I don't have any contact information. How about you guys in dojang digest? (Sorry about the long posting.) Sincerely, Michael Choi ------------------------------ From: "Sam Stratton" Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 21:44:30 PST Subject: the_dojang: Welcome! Welcome Mitar, Subtlty is not something too often accused of those new to martial arts, I do not see that changing in the near future. What a marvelously uninhibited posting :D I don't remember this (see below)topic being discussed in the recent past so it does have the makings of a nice thread... I think of unarmed combat as tactics involved within a three dimensional range composed of three spheres 1.) The outer sphere which is comprised of the feet. 2.) the meso-sphere which is the striking hand. 3.) the inner sphere is where the grappling arts rule Any sphere can be effective and deadly but if you look at the percentage of time ultimate fighting is confined to any one sphere its inner sphere. TKD is almost entirely useless outside of the outer and middle spheres. I look at TKD as a "Il suk pil sai" self defense weapon, for it to be effective "one strike must kill". That is why most TKD dojangs teach both TKD and Hoshinsul(self defense) there are techniques that are exclusive to the either but both reinforce the ultimate goal of any martial art, knowing, controling and improving the "effectiveness" of your body. Myself I do not want to spend most of my time in a submission hold, although I find it infinitely useful to experience what its like, and methods of defending against it. I continue in TKD because it lets me routinely do things with my mind and body that I dreamed of as a child, whether a solid jump 360 back kick on a heavy bag, a well placed half-round to the stomach, breaking boards in a thouroghly unnatural way, or performing a taeguk form the best you'e ever have(or witnessing these in a student that you have helped teach). I learn the other sphere as a supplement to my art but I like life in the outer two. Kyung Ye, Sam Stratton 1 Dan WTF <> From: "Mitar" I've watched a few Ultimate Fight matches (I think most of you know what it is), and I've seen that mainly fighters who are experts in "close-range" MA (Jiu-jitsu, grappling,...) win against those who are from the world of "punching and kicking" (kick-box, TKD, HKD, Karate,...). ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 03:52:06 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #126 In a message dated 2/24/00 11:49:58 AM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Illona - I don't remember the initial posting of this referring to ATA schools (back issues are on the computer at home), but if so, this is NOT the norm across the ATA. I have trained in 2 different ATA schools (recently moved from one state to another), and both concentrated solely on the material for your rank. However, if you watched on your own and asked an instructor really, REALLY nice they might show you some of the advanced stuff. But, normally it is only your rank material that you work on. >> Whew ! I'm glad ... it must have been all the other stuff that was about ATA at the time and I just got corn-fused is all. Sorry ! :-) About the tournament prices ... sounds reasonable to me and if they sell other stuff there ... well, I love to buy T-Shirts and I am always disappointed if there are none to buy !! The more the merrier ! Illona ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 03:57:36 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #126 In a message dated 2/24/00 11:49:58 AM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Their entire class is all working on the SAME material - so the attention of the instructor is not divided through 2,3,4, or 9 forms - AND the students are supporting each other in that the energy of the group is on the same material. >> Ok ... I get it now. In our school we have classes for Yellow thru Purple on some days ... and Green thru Black on others. Then we have the All Rank days where everyone is in the room together working out (white thru black) ... and we have classes just for White Belts and then some White thru Yellow ... and then the Advanced classes for Red thru Black. So yes, we do train in other belt levels here too. On forms day we have White thru Orange ... and another day for Green thru Black. And if they learn their form they can go up to the next form and work on it. But everyone is required to know what their belt level is supposed to know. And we work on it together in those classes ... with other belt levels or if we have enough help that night ... we can divide the belt levels up and work only on what they need to learn. I don't see a problem in this. Works good here. Illona ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 04:00:15 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #126 In a message dated 2/24/00 11:49:58 AM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << But anything more than that is too much, IMO. I don't want my brand new white belts pulling muscles and twisting ankles trying to do jump kicks and spinning kicks the first week they've ever trained! >> I agree ... and in our school only advanced techniques are taught in the advanced classes ... not in the All Rank classes or any mixed class at all. If an advanced belt comes to a mixed class they work on lower level stuff then. Not a bad idea to stay fresh on everything ... not just the advanced stuff. Illona ------------------------------ From: "Vaught, Clifford (CLF N6Y2K8)" Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 07:55:49 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #127 Mitar, Welcome! Thanks for your apropos comments. There is an archive of the Digest, if you want to take the time to go through them. You probably find what you're looking for. Soo Bahk!! Cliff - ------------------------------ From: "Mitar" Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 00:40:26 +0100 Subject: the_dojang: From a new member ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 7:28:41 PST Subject: the_dojang: patch thanks Thanks for SH Wee for sending a copy of their school's (KOMA-SEAPAC) patch from Sarawak, Malaysia. 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