From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #129 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 25 Feb 2000 Vol 07 : Num 129 In this issue: the_dojang: Taekwondo/Hapkido the_dojang: Re: perceptions the_dojang: Thanks, and some more questions the_dojang: 2 thoughts... the_dojang: Re: New member [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~800 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, CA Taekwondo, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jsegovia@mindspring.com Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 11:51:22 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Taekwondo/Hapkido Michael Choi wrote: > In terms of differences between > Taekwondo and Hapkido, let's start with theory. Very nice post, Michael; I'm very impressed. It certainly shows that you were taught well. Kudos to your Hapkido instructor Master Michael McCarty. Jesse ------------------------------ From: dbuehrer@denver.carl.org Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 11:35:48 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: perceptions Laura Kamienski wrote: >dbuehrer@denver.carl.org wrote: > > > treatment as men. On the other hand I feel that injustices done to men, > > but that's a whole other subject ;) > >There are and it is! :^) I probably hate beer commercials as much as you do, but for the way that they imply that a man isn't a man unless he can "catch" a beautiful scantily clad woman. Because of advertisements like that a lot of men are missing out on the whole point of love, and missing out on having relationships with wonderful women, because they are try to meet the expectations of the stereotypical male. I know it took me a long time to learn what is valuable a relationship, and that I don't particularly find the stereotypical woman attractive. > > I feel that what mankind chooses to define as a war becomes a war when it > > is defined as a war and when it is perceived as a war. snip > >On one hand your analysis reminds me of zen buddhism. That we are all >part of the other. I like this way of thinking. But Thich Nhat Hanh also >says...call me by my true name. Defining circumstance is important. >Struggle and misunderstanding are parts of war. I don't know of one >where they weren't. Well, I'm very Zen Buddhist at this point in my life :) > >To me it felt like you feel like you have exhausted all of your > > option and that you feel that resolving the issue of sexism requires > > war-like treatment of the issue. > >Funny, I think you might be stuck in looking at only these options, >though I could be mistaken. You got me there. > I think there are lots of options here. I >think that universal SD for women is a really good one. Doesn't >subjugate anyone, just balances the equation. I agree. >I don't think you and I think as differently as >you 'perceive'. ;^) What I'm finding through personal experience and research is that it isn't necessarily the gulf between men and women that's an issue, it's the gulf between individuals that's an issue. Everyone looks at the world a little differently, and thinks a little differently, has different wants, likes, and dislikes. Because we look the same, have the same needs, and talk the same language, the illusion that we're the same can easily be created. But change even one of those and the illusion that we're alien to each other can be created just as easily. If I travel to just about any state in the US, I can blend in and feel comfortable. However, when I went to Thailand, I felt uncomfortable to a certain extent because everyone looked different and were using a different language. Only the shared need for shelter (there were houses, restaurants, etc) gave me a point of reference. Differences in thinking also show up on email lists. Without knowing your mood or your state of mind, I can easily project an image of you when reading your posts. As I noted earlier it "seemed" to me as if you were being absolute. You stated that you were not being absolute. On the Dojang Digest you told another poster that he had flamed you. If his post had been directed at me I wouldn't have felt flamed at all. Perception is nine tenths of reality. Being married has also reinforced my belief that individuals are very different from each other. My wife and I love each other and are doing quite well, but there have been numerous times when we've ended up looking at each other, scratching our heads, at a complete loss as to what the other one is talking about, let alone what the other one is thinking :) When your were flamed, did you feel flamed, or were you in fact flamed? :) I can easily distinguish between the MA instructors at the Dojang I attend who know this, either intuitively or consciously, and those who don't. Those who recognize the differences are calmer and more understanding, and will try a variety of methods when a student is having trouble with a technique or grasping a concept. Those who don't recognize the differences expect students to learn the same way they did, feel the same way they do, and quickly become frustrated when their expectations aren't met, and cling to those expectations despite everything. The student usually becomes frustrated to, and little is gained. :) To Life, - -David Buehrer 6th Gup, Hapkido http://www.users.uswest.net/~abaker3 - -- "Apparently I'm insane. But I'm one of the happy kinds!" - -Wally ------------------------------ From: "Mitar" Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 19:36:03 +0100 cet Subject: the_dojang: Thanks, and some more questions 1. I have to thank again to Alain Burrese and Sammy for the messages they've sent to my e-mail. 2. I must also thanks Michael Choi for the great comparison between TKD and HKD, and for trying to help me to find out aboud HKD schools in Serbia (I'm now almost completly sure that there aren't any). 3. Thanks to Sam Stratton on his view of unarmed combat (I tottaly agree with it), and to Cliff for his suggestion. Now I actualy understand how great this mailing list is, and that some of it's members (mentioned above) are very kind people and proficient in MA at the same time. Does anyone have some expirience in combat against people from other MA, especialy those that are using close-range style? How to keep the distance from them, and is it better to try to use some technique if they try to grab you, or to avoid them and then attack? Also, do you simply move backwards (linear) or make some kind of circular movement? Another thing; I'm only a beginner (I'll take my 7th geup test in 2-3 weeks), and I'm very satisfied with the speed of my techniques, but I need some advices how to speed them up a little more (some exercises or anything that could help). Mitar ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 14:11:22 EST Subject: the_dojang: 2 thoughts... this is my first time (posting on the digest), so be gentle with me... first... about different belts learning materials... my class (hapkido) is mostly black belts and mostly men, and mostly we all learn the same stuff. in my experience, albeit brief, it works for us. we learn different techniques from different areas at every class. if it's an "easier" technique and black belts already know it...then they polish it. at my last test i was doing techniques from my level followed by ones from black belt level, and they all just flowed together. in the end, isn't that what it's about? being able to do a joint lock, a kick, a throw, or whatever and do it well. besides, it keeps things interesting. second... MA seem to me to be a microcosm of life. and in life there are things like politics and sexism. instead of having a knee-jerk reaction and saying things like they don't belong as a topic of discussion on this digest, let's talk about how they do. politics exist, just look at the posts about who's a GM and who's not (ok, we wore that out...but the point is that you can't escape politics.) and what about men who won't work with women in the dojang? some just don't have the same respect for a female MA as they would a male. if you take the time and look closely you'll see that things like feminism does have a role in MA...and possibly at your school. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Piotr Bernat Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 07:38:07 +0200 Subject: the_dojang: Re: New member Mitar wrote: > Hi everyone! > I subscribed to The Dojang Digest only a couple of days ago, and I already > like it a lot. Hi Mitar! Nice to see you there. I`m glad I`m no longer the only person waving the Dojang_Digest flag here in Eastern Europe. With all the great Hapkido people on the list, I`m sure you`ll get lots of infoon the subject. Regards - -- Piotr Bernat dantaekwondo@lublin.home.pl http://www.taekwondo.prv.pl ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 12:29:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #129 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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