From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #132 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Sat, 26 Feb 2000 Vol 07 : Num 132 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: Speed Training the_dojang: Re: Against the shoot or charge the_dojang: Re: feminist (quick point) the_dojang:a few REs and about steeling the_dojang: silat [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~800 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, CA Taekwondo, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 12:51:01 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: Speed Training << I'm very satisfied with the speed of my techniques, but I >need some advices how to speed them up a little more (some exercises or >anything that could help). >> A good book with a lot of drills is "Speed Training: How to Develop Your Maximum Speed For Martial Arts" by Loren Christensen available through Paladin Press. (Or you can order from the book section from my webpage below) However you get it, it is a decent book. I have a number of books by Loren, and we communicate through e-mail frequently. He is working on a couple books for Turtle Press at the moment. He's a retired Police Officer and has been practicing martial arts since the 60s. Highly recommended. Yours in Training, Alain Burrese http://members.aol.com/aburrese/ ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 12:58:49 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: Against the shoot or charge << How to keep the distance between you and your opponent? >Please don't think that I am preparing to participate the Ultimate Fight, >I just want to know this. >> Yes, it can be difficult for someone to keep a grappler from closing and taking a person down. We have seen this in many of the UFC matches. But there was also the fight where a wrestler was knocked out by a kick to the head, so it can be done. (Smith v Coleman I believe) Another option is to practice like many Silat people do. They will have something really nasty waiting for the guy who comes in for the tackle or takedown. Steve Plinck did a lot of work with a BJJ person working on ways Silat would stop the charge takedown or shoot. This just shows that there is more than one way to skin a cat. You can train to stay away and kick their head off like Smith did, or you can give them a wake up call when they shoot inside. Depends on style, training, and who the individuals are. Just something to think about, Alain Burrese http://members.aol.com/aburrese/ ------------------------------ From: "backwoods 2000" Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 15:43:54 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: feminist (quick point) I hate to contribute to this, but "feminist" is a trigger word that really gets under my skin. I am all female, from head to toe. I've been beaten, raped, imprisoned, abused mentally, physically and verbally and I agree with little to none of what Laura has to say. I'm just a high yellow belt (I skipped low yellow - third person in four years to do so under my instructor :) and so haven't had much chance to spar, but have had no adverse reaction whatsoever to male contact or to a male foot, as opposed to a female foot, headed for my face. I understand where one may find it challenging or interesting to combine self-help with self-defense in an all woman class and maybe you'll have good results. If I were to teach, I'd prefer to have a class of well adjusted, non-prejudiced people rather than a bunch of people whining about who did what to whom and whose fault it is that one can't make peace with their past. Children need to be coddled and defended, but as adults, we are each responsible for ourselves. Good points Cliff and Sarah. I promise to stay out of the rest of this thread (no matter how tempting it is). ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Mitar" Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 22:22:49 +0100 cet Subject: the_dojang:a few REs and about steeling On Sat, 26 Feb 2000, Chris wrote: > At my college, I'm in a few different MA groups, and besides TKD, I also > practice Silat. > ........................ > A lot of the MA's here at school go to a joint sparring session open to > all styles(TKD, Silat, Kung Fu, grappling, etc.) > ........................ > One also mentioned how useful combination kicks are, since they are > difficult to go in on. > ........................ Hi Chris! Your e-mail was very interesting, so I would like to know a few more things. Since I heard for Silat for the first time from your letter, please write something about it (from which country does it come from; what kind of techiques Silat uses; etc.). My other question is about those combination kicks (which kicks, and in what order). The Joint sparring sessions you've mentioned are great. That is one of the best kinds of practice one can get, but as many other things not available in Serbia (Hapkido schools for instance), the joint sparring sessions are something I can only dream of. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 25 Feb 2000, Rodney wrote: > Mitar, > Don't feel like the lone ranger. Here in the San Francisco Bay > Area (working in Santa Clara and living in Campbell) I have been unable to > find a Hapkido Dojang within a 50 mile radius. Hi Rodney! It's getting on my nerves that I can't find a Hapkido school in the whole country!? I see that others have the same problem (you for example), but I can't understand that there is not at least one HKD school in whole Serbia (a country with nearly 10.000.000. people). I'm sure that many, many people here would practice it, but obviously nothing can be done. What a pity! By the way, you were very lucky to go to study Hapkido to Korea. I think that only a person truly devoted to MA can do that. You have my deep regards and admiration. Mitar - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 25 Feb, 2000, Garth Cooley wrote: > ........................ > ADDED NOTE: Indy Cup will have ring mats (no hard floor this year) and > electronic scoring (similar to USTU scoring system). > ........................ Hi Garth! Could you write something more about the electronic scoring. Is it a standard in your country, or is only experimental? I would like to know more about that kind of scoring because the National TKD team of Serbia was literaly ripped off on the Balcan TKD championship held in Greece about ten days ago. Eight of our participants lost their matches in semi-finals against Greeks (maybe it's a coincidence, ha, ha). At least half of our fighters should have won if the judges had just a bit of honesty (I'm sorry that you can't see the videos: in one of the matches a Greek competitor was knocked down to the ground a few times, and he almost started to cry(?!), but he also won in the end. He, himself couuldn't believe it.). Later, all of our contestants won the fights for the 3rd place so we ended up with eight bronze medals and one gold (our girl also had to fight against a Greek, but she was so superior - she had three or four points more - that even judges couldn't do anything). In the end, I think that only electronic scoring (or an honest and skilled judge - - they have my deepest admiration) can be used if we don't want to make a businness out of TKD, where countries with powerful lobby can do whatever they like. I'm sorry for the lenght of this letter, but there are so many subjects, and so little space. Mitar ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 17:09:36 PST Subject: the_dojang: silat > Since I heard for Silat for the first time from your letter, > please write something about it The below is from the rec.ma FAQ. IMAs and FMAs are 'fun'. Ray ======================================================================== 16.36) Silat (Contributor: Jeffrey Chapman - jchapman@armory.com) Intro: Pentjak Silat is the Indonesian set of Martial Arts, all with diferent styles and schools (over 400 of them). Origin: Indonesia History: Since Silat is an umbrella term covering many styles, it is not possible to give a single history. Some of the arts are very old (1000 years?), and some were developed less than 50 years ago. Also, as with other arts, the history of Silat is somewhat unclear. There is a mixture of indigenous techniques along with techniques borrowed from Chinese Wu Shu and Indian arts such as Kalaripayit. Description: Pentjak Silat depends heavily on an indigenous weapons and animal-styles heritage. In the (distant) past, it was predominately a weapons system; empty hand techniques are derived from the weapons forms. As a weapons system, it was guarded jealously as a royal art; over the centuries, Pentjak Silat became a village art. Techniques are quite varied, although kicks are not emphasized much. Foot work is sophisticated and the development of stability is of major importance. The foot and and hand techniques are so subtle and intricate that they are often taught separately, then integrated after the student has mastered them individually. There is a good balance between offensive and defensive techniques. A great master of Pentjak Silat is referred to as "pendekar." Pendekar describes someone who is not merely a great martial artist; a pendekar has also attained a high level of spiritual development. Senior students are called "guru" by beginning students, and a proficient instructor is called "kang." Training: As an example, Pentjak Silat Mande Muda has a complex and rather rigorous system of training, which includes classical empty hand and weapons forms, practical empty hand, weapons, and improvised weapons techniques, stretches, physical conditioning, and breath control. Although the forms are often performed with musical accompaniment, much like a dance, they are nevertheless extremely valuable both as conditioning methods and as encyclopedias of technique. Sub-Styles: Kali/Escrima/Arnis (see separate FAQ entry), Panantukan, Sikaran, Panandiakman, Dumog, Mande Muda, and many others. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 16:55:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #132 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, CA Taekwondo, and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.