From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #133 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 28 Feb 2000 Vol 07 : Num 133 In this issue: the_dojang: Thanks!!! the_dojang: Silat(Mitar) the_dojang: Mitar(combination kicks) the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #132 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #132 the_dojang: US Korean Martial Arts Federation Seminar the_dojang: Re: ATA Rotation the_dojang: RE: ATA School belt material/Brad Bezoni the_dojang: RE: Rotation Teaching#126/Silke [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~800 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, CA Taekwondo, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMPorter@webtv.net (Chris Porter) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 21:26:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: the_dojang: Thanks!!! I just wanted to say thanks to all of you who responded to the "hand conditioning" post. It was a great help to hear from you, and I will let you know if I learn any valuable lessons from this form of training,( I can't imagine that I won't). Thanks, Chris ------------------------------ From: Chris S Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 20:43:07 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Silat(Mitar) Mitar, Silat is drastically different from TKD. Most of the techniques in the styles that I practice(Mande Muda and Harimau) wind up going to the ground, and all that I have learned so far always go in off other's attacks. There are numerous breaks, locks, chokes, etc.; as such, it is difficult to safely spar. I really can't compare it to TKD, even though I take both, there isn't a great deal of similarity, not even in philosophy. >Ray Terry wrote >As an example, Pentjak Silat Mande Muda has a complex and rather >rigorous system of training, which includes classical empty hand and >weapons forms, practical empty hand, weapons, and improvised weapons >techniques, stretches, physical conditioning, and breath control. >Although the forms are often performed with musical accompaniment, >much like a dance, they are nevertheless extremely valuable both as >conditioning methods and as encyclopedias of technique. Mande Muda is a mixture of Silat styles, elbows and knees are used a great deal, as they like to fight so close. By contrast, in TKD we really don't emphasize knees or elbows as much, I see it mainly in hyungs(forms), and I don't belive it is considered as advantageous to be in close, unless you are fighting someone whose body type relative to yours makes it advantageous. We might practice it some, but not much. I have a few knives that are used in Silat, but their shape is somewhat hard to explain. In contrast, I haven't seen any weapons in my TKD, I used to be with an ITF school, but when I came to college, the TKD group was WTF, and I haven't seen weapons in either federation. It may be an instructor preference, some on the list say they have learned it. As for forms, they are called kimbangun(sp?), and the ones I have seen are LONG. The only kick I have seen that is similar is a type of hook kick that Silat uses, and also, my styles rarely kick above the waist, I use TKD for that. It's fairly difficult to describe in writing, especially to people that have taken only TKD, but I hope this helps. Chris ------------------------------ From: Chris S Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 20:47:43 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Mitar(combination kicks) Mitar, >Mitar wrote: >My other question is about >those combination kicks (which kicks, and in what order) I wasn't there the last few times, so I'll ask when I go to TKD on Tuesday what kind of combination kick worked best. Chris ------------------------------ From: "Dan Myers" Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 09:01:01 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #132 ><< How to keep the distance between you and your opponent? > >Please don't think that I am preparing to participate the Ultimate Fight, > >I just want to know this. >> > >Yes, it can be difficult for someone to keep a grappler from closing and >taking a person down. We have seen this in many of the UFC matches. But >there was also the fight where a wrestler was knocked out by a kick to the >head, so it can be done. (Smith v Coleman I believe) Coleman was very, very tired, and Mo Smith is a many time champion kickboxer. But Mo Smith didn't KO, Coleman with a kick to the head. Mo Smith did best Coleman after outlasting his ground game and kicking him repeatedly in the thigh. The fight you are thinking was Pete Williams who KO'd Coleman in overtime, again after Coleman was tired. It was a great kick, and the only time (As far as I recall) that a kick to the head has ended any fight in UFC. I have seen knees to the head end more then one fight, but not many kicks. Most kicking games in Mixed Martial Arts are successful when the attack a leg, thus taking the foe to the ground. For anyone who wants the "best" way to counter an attempted takedown, but does not want to train heavily in groundfighting. IMHO the best strategy would be to sprawl over the opponent and go for a naked choke. Simple enough to do, very effective with quickness and patients to apply it correctly. But as with anything, if you don't train for it, it won't come easy. ------------------------------ From: "Rodney G. Graves" Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 20:35:36 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #132 Mitar, I went to Korea to take up a job there with an American company. One of my co-workers there became my Sabum... The only credit I deserve was for taking an interest, and sticking with it. V/R Rod At 05:14 PM 2/26/00 -0800, Mitar wrote: > Hi Rodney! >It's getting on my nerves that I can't find a Hapkido school in the whole >country!? I see that others have the same problem (you for example), but >I can't understand that there is not at least one HKD school in whole >Serbia (a country with nearly 10.000.000. people). I'm sure that many, many >people here would practice it, but obviously nothing can be done. What a pity! >By the way, you were very lucky to go to study Hapkido to Korea. I think >that only a person truly devoted to MA can do that. You have my deep >regards and admiration. > Mitar ------------------------------ From: MichaelChoi@aol.com Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 00:18:07 EST Subject: the_dojang: US Korean Martial Arts Federation Seminar Hi folks, Thank you everybody for your complements on my posting "Taekwondo vs. Hapkido." I really appreciate it. Headmaster Hal Whalen, Hapkido MooYeKwan, and Headmaster Paek Un Chon, Hapkido ChonMuKwan, also deserve credit, as they are my hapkido instructors as well. Although Grandmaster JR West asked for a "thorough report" on the seminar, it's already past midnight. Long Island got hit with fog, so I got home late. One word encapsulates the seminar, "awesome." Sorry all, but everyone will have to "salivate" in anticipation of my report. Take care everybody. Sincerely, Michael Choi ------------------------------ From: ATATKD@aol.com Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 06:28:37 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: ATA Rotation In a message dated 2/24/00 10:26:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Plain hogwash to me. ATA is doing this ...? All the ATA schools? >> Last I heard only select ATA schools were doing this. Did this change? Joe ATA Long Island, NY ------------------------------ From: "Lasich, Mark D." Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 08:40:15 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: ATA School belt material/Brad Bezoni Mr. Bezoni, Sorry to say, the "rotation teaching" is indeed assoicated with the ATA. I have been in the ATA for almost 16 years now. My instructor is a VP of instruction, and after over a year of evaluating this approach in over 50 ATA schools, it is now 'approved' as an acceptable - NOT REQUIRED method of teaching. Separately, I, too, would like to echo that the ATA is all not about money. With any large organization there are costs associated with maintaining the quality of and number of programs that are available. Not only are there the traditional TKD programs, but Pressure Points and Control Tactics (PPCT), weapons, ground fighting, weapon defense, etc.........Exploration, evaluation, training, and finally offering these programs to the student body take time, and, yes, money. Also, the $25/year ATA membership fee also covers the cost of insurance on EACH student. IF an injury were to occur in the dojang, or at an ATA sponsored event, the ATA insurance will take care of it - I have seen this work! I imagine it would be hard for smaller organizations to offer this at this cost! So again, yes there is money involved, but the benefits, IMHO, outweigh the cost! Mark Lasich mark.lasich@alcoa.com ------------------------------ From: "Lasich, Mark D." Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 08:46:48 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Rotation Teaching#126/Silke Silke wrote: >Is this teaching methodology ATA-wide, or just in your school? If it is >practiced at all ATA schools, is this something new? A number of years ago, >when we belonged to the ATA, we did not follow this teaching method. Yes this IS relatively new. Apparently the ATA had been trying is out in 5-10 schools, but other school owners picked up on it and the results were gathered from over 50 schools. It is NOT a required method of teaching, but an option. A LOT of what I do hear about this is the real benefits is has for the KIDS (K4K) classes. Having an entire class (20-25 kids) focusing on the same material really helps them focus, and fosters and good environment for them to learn in. Mark Lasich Mark Lasich@alcoa.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 07:09:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #133 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, CA Taekwondo, and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.