From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #134 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 28 Feb 2000 Vol 07 : Num 134 In this issue: the_dojang: Rotation Teaching the_dojang: Re: Rotation teaching Re: the_dojang: Re: Rotation teaching the_dojang: Re: Against the shoot or charge the_dojang: DoJang Safety floor mats the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #133 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #133 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #113 [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~800 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, CA Taekwondo, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Silke Schulz" Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 07:35:05 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: Rotation Teaching Mark wrote: >A LOT of what I do hear about this is the real benefits is has for the KIDS >(K4K) classes. Having an entire class (20-25 kids) focusing on the same >material really helps them focus, and fosters and good environment for >them to learn in. I do see the benefits in applying this system, however, how do you integrate new students into it? Or do you wait until a new testing cycle before you start new students? And how does a white belt compete at a tournament if he/she only knows yellow belt form? Or have they made allowances for that? Just curious. Silke Schulz ------------------------------ From: Brett Erwin Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 10:23:26 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Rotation teaching >But just to play Devil's Advocate (from a TSDer no less;>) might this not >be an indication that more gup ranks exist than are actually required? Yes, that's a possibility. I don't have a problem with 5 gup ranks (for example) instead of 9. However, the time at each gup rank would be longer, the promotional tests would cover more material (making it more difficult). A minor testing glitch could slow a student down for several months, instead of just a few (which is the case for more gup ranks). I personally like more gup ranks, because I see students learning at a faster rate, wanting to learn, and appreciating the *TANGIBLE* reward of new belts. Smaller, more frequent steps, seems to be easier for students than "big chunks". Brett Erwin Allen, TX ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 8:58:26 PST Subject: Re: the_dojang: Re: Rotation teaching > I personally like more gup ranks, because I see students learning > at a faster rate, wanting to learn, and appreciating the *TANGIBLE* > reward of new belts. Smaller, more frequent steps, seems to be > easier for students than "big chunks". I suspect that it actually varys from student to student. One might also guess that smaller jumps are better for kids, while larger jumps are better for adults. It would be interesting to review the learning theory research on this topic. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Danny Abramovitch Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 08:40:05 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Against the shoot or charge > Yes, it can be difficult for someone to keep a grappler from closing and > taking a person down. We have seen this in many of the UFC matches. But > there was also the fight where a wrestler was knocked out by a kick to the > head, so it can be done. (Smith v Coleman I believe) Yes, although this is the wrong match at a poor analogy. I'll explain. Maurice Smith is a kickboxer who rocketed into prominence in the "no-rules" type matches by knocking out a big BJJ guy named Conan Silviera with a massive roundhouse shin kick to the neck. This was in the defunct Extreme Fighting Challenge (EFC). When EFC when out (because the new head of TCI would not allow cable PPV coverage of these type events) he and some others went to fight in the UFC. He defeated Marco Colman in a decision. At the end of the fight, he was wailing on Colman's legs & lower abdomen with kicks. Since those events, he has lost numerous times in NHB events. Now, why is it a poor analogy? Because in both the great victories that I mentioned Smith got taken down very quickly in the fights. The difference was that he had learned enough ground grappling (from Frank Shamrock) to hold the guard and defend himself on the ground. As it was, both Silviera and Coleman wore themselves out in a few minutes and eventually Smith was back on his feet and able to strike. In Silviera's case, he used repeated roundhouses to the thigh to bring the hands down. Once they dropped, he went up top with the big roundhouse. Silviera went out, bounced against the fence and the ref stopped it. Silviera was so out of it that he held his arms up in a victory pose. However, the point is that Smith did not stop the takedown. He learned how to survive on the ground. - -- Danny ________________________________________________________________ | Danny Abramovitch E-mail: danny@hpl.hp.com | | Hewlett-Packard Labs Voice: (650) 857-3806 | | 1501 Page Mill Road, M/S 4U-12 FAX: (650) 857-7724 | | Palo Alto, CA 94304-1126 | | | | ``The plural of anecdote is not data.'' -- Author Unknown | |________________________________________________________________| ------------------------------ From: "David K. Wilson" Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 11:53:56 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: DoJang Safety floor mats Hello, I've been reading the digests this past month and have really enjoyed most of them. Right now, I'm hoping for some advice on where to purchase some dojang floormats. I found the manufacturer website for Sukuoo industries and this appears to be the interlocking version I saw in my old school. I'm needing some for my new school and I'm searching for any distributors that might be close to Austin, Texas. Any information will be appreciated. Thanks, Decided 1st Degree Black Belt within ITA - David K. Wilson > ------------------------------ From: Cecil Washington Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 10:09:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #133 "How to keep the distance between you and your opponent?" My answer: MOVE. You can "what if" this stuff all day long. And for all the pro-grappling UFC die-hards, remember: the UFC is not a real fight, neither is sparring. If you try to wrestle a wrestler, kick a kicker, box a boxer, knife a knifer and so on, you are going to get killed. But, if you can only relax, focus, and do what your subconscious is telling you to do at that moment, you stand just a good a chance at winning as he does, if not more. Easy to say, hard for ALL of us (me too!) to do. Cecil __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 13:22:13 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #133 In a message dated 2/28/00 9:15:09 AM Central Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Also, the $25/year ATA membership fee also covers the cost of insurance on EACH student. IF an injury were to occur in the dojang, or at an ATA sponsored event, the ATA insurance will take care of it - I have seen this work! I imagine it would be hard for smaller organizations to offer this at this cost! >> I only charge my students $15 a year for their insurance coverage, and it's more than enough. Gary P. ------------------------------ From: Ian Miller Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 13:25:13 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #113 > ------------------------------ > > From: Tim Bruening > Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 22:23:05 -0800 > Subject: the_dojang: Karate Boards > > How big are the boards used for board breaking? > > ------------------------------ I'm not sure what other clubs use, but we tend to use 12 inch by 12 inch by 3/4 inch pine boards. Ian Miller ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 12:37:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #134 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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