From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #164 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 13 March 2000 Vol 07 : Num 164 In this issue: the_dojang: The Three Theories of Hapkido the_dojang: Re: hang time the_dojang: Re: Hang Time= my time wonderin if I can do that ? the_dojang: Re: Jumpin over people=got me envious the_dojang: Re: ITC patterns the_dojang: British WTF Student Nationals - Report... the_dojang: chun-ji. confusion of where kihaps are to be the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #161 [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 800 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "hkdhal" Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 21:25:09 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: The Three Theories of Hapkido The Theories behind Hapkido are as different and unique as the system it self.I will try to the best of My ability to explain or put into words so as to make it easier to understand without confusing you any more than is Necessary. The Theories behind Hapkido are the theory of "Yu" Also known as the water principle,The Next principle is that of"Wan" also Known as the circle Theory.The last but not the least of the theory's is the Theory of "Hwa" which is better known as the Harmony Principle.I will now take them one at a time and explain.. The "Yu" theory or water principle is the best way to describe the motion or fluid movements of a well trained Hapkidoin as well as his or Her approach to the attacking or opposing force.The most common analogy that is used among Hapkido instructors to teach the theory,The principle use's the description of what water will do in a stream when it encounters an obstacle.Water will exert force on any object it meets.If the resistance by that object is small the water will just pull the object down stream with it's own current-like a pebble at the bottom of the stream.If the resistance is great like a large rock or boulder,Then the water will adapt,soften and flow around the object.Water is also relentless,The waters current can flow around you when flowing smoothly can knock you off you feet if its current is to fast. When facing and adversary the force of the attack faced by the Hapkidoin shall determine his or her counter.If the attack is a strong one then the Hapkidoin must oppose gently (flow with the attack and use opponents power and momentum against him).If the attack is gentle then repel it forcefully (Deflect and attack).These complimentary movements flow into one another,Creating a water like effect in the movement of the Hapkidoin.In the end ,Just like when the water flows against the boulder,The Hapkidoin will or shall overcome his or her attacker. The "Wan" or circle theory has many meanings I will give just one example.The circle theory describes the movement that the Hapkidoin use's to face His or her attacker.This theory is the most difficult to understand.The circular motion at the center of this theory is a bit deceptive.The movements of a Hapkidoin can vary from slight movements of his feet or hands that change the direction of the force opposing him to full circles of motion which ride along and capture that force and turn it back to the source. The force of the opponent's attack is never met directly with force.But instead the movements of the Hapkidoin are continuos and flow from one to another,Always deflecting the force until it is turned back into the attacker.This might be something simple like a deflection of the force of the punch thrown by the attacker.This can be done by simply side stepping from the punch so that the punch misses its target or the use of a block to deflect or redirect the force of the punch away from the target.The movement is slight but circular motion around the force approaching you (Think of how water flows around the boulder). If the force is deflected,reversed and then applied back onto the attacker then the circle is completed and much more visible. The "Hwa" theory or principle is a very important part of Hapkido. This Theory describes the reaction that a Hapkidoin has to an attack.The thought is that your mind,body ,spirit are in unison with each other you are able to keep your thoughts and emotions under control.This can be very confusing to understand and can be best be thought of as "No Thought-No Mind". When an attacker attacks and your defense is accomplished without thought or thinking about the steps you are taking.Your reactions are instantaneous. This type of reaction can only come from years of repetition and review.The movements become second nature and all three Theories meld into one defense. "The Way of Coordinated Power Hapkido". Hal Whalen ------------------------------ From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 22:20:46 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: hang time hi ann marie, sounds like plyometrics might be a good one for you. these are performance building exercises. i'll give you a site which i think has some info, but someone else might be able to provide a better link. Athletic Performance Institute - Practical Exercise Science OR: http://members.tripod.com/adm/popup/roadmap.shtml?member_name=mprevost&path=te xtbook.htm&client_ip=152.163.188.228&ts=952917376&ad_type=POPUP&id=2943411d27d e70bcb13e9c0c0ec81718 and, btw, a jump kick to an attacker's head is probably not the greatest self defense technique. a lotta those kinds of techniques are hard to pull of in real life attacks. good luck! melinda ChunjiDo -pe rsonal homepage http://hometown.aol.com/chunjido/homehtmlindex.html Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply - business page http://hometown.aol.com/chajonshim/ma4sale.html Looking for enlightenment is like looking for a flashlight, when all you need the flashlight for is to find the flashlight. ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 21:58:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: Hang Time= my time wonderin if I can do that ? A poster discussed the following: "From: CBAUGHN@aol.com Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 16:54:34 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: hang time Ann-Marie White wrote: << Are there any other exercises that you guys can suggest so that I can increase the height of my jumps and my "hang time"? >> There are several plyometric exercises that might be of value to you. I believe it was the last issue of USTU's Taekwondo Journal, that included an article (with Juan Moreno showing how-to) about doing these exercises. Also, Master Han Won Lee shows how to do TKD-specific plyos in one of his videos.> Response: Without being too sarcastic and injecting my "Don Rickles" type humor, I have to say I admire anyone who can do any kind of "hang time". Keep up that splendid thought. About the only hang time I have been doing lately is hangin' out at the bar. These old bones may get a few cresent kicks off. I admire the individual who can leap over 5 or 6 bodies and break a board. I say to myself, "Ken...you should have started studying the arts when you were younger." Instead, I have to admire the younger people who can do this stuff. Are there any martial artists out there over 45 and just below 50 who can do this stuff ? If so please private me with your formula and training ideas. Thanks. Good night all. Ken McD... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 22:19:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: Jumpin over people=got me envious Mr. Lee wrote, in part: Response: Preface=I admire athletic ability and admire people being able to jump over bodies and other obstacles and break boards and so forth. I admit I am somewhat envious. But, I gotta tell ya...I am being honest...I cant do that stuff. These old bones and old legs won't let me. In my younger days I played basketball and I could not dunk...so, what makes ya think I can jump over people and break anything. Now I admire those individuals who can do that stuff. Admittedly I wish I could do it. Ok, I am slightly jealous. But, then I also admit I have to focus on what works for me. Now, I understand why someone would train to do the jumpin' stuff, but for argument sake--does it help in a true self-defense situation. I understand the focus aspect. But, in a real street scenario does the jumpin' over bodies and breakin' boards theory help ya ? Help me out here. I recall when I played ball. The coach always told me to practice what you are gonna use in the game. For me, the game is the street to protect my family and me. So, whatta ya recommend for us old farts and old geezers who can barely jump out of bed in the morning ? Thanks. P.S. Now dont tell me to sip my Geritol and use a cane. Speaking of cane, I think learnin' cane techniques would be better for me than learning how to jump over bodies and break a board. On the other hand, I like the idea of jumpin' over bodies. But, jumpin over bodies is an erotic topic and that is not suitable for this forum. I am sooooo confused. Help me out people. P.S. 2. Whatever you decide to write...I am not being glib. I do admire athletic prowess...but I am gettin' on in years and need a little gentle boost on training. Good night...need my beauty rest. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Piotr Bernat Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 07:53:41 +0200 Subject: the_dojang: Re: ITC patterns > Our Chon-Ji is now (not including turns): > > 1. left low block/left front stance > 2. right punch/right front stance > 3. right low block/right front stance (...) > Is this different from the Chang Han Ryu forms practiced by the ITF? Hi Silke, it`s exactly the same as in the ITF, except for the kihap which is not used in any form there. Regards - -- Piotr Bernat dantaekwondo@lublin.home.pl http://www.taekwondo.prv.pl ------------------------------ From: Donnla Nic Gearailt Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 10:37:18 +0000 Subject: the_dojang: British WTF Student Nationals - Report... Hi all, I don't know if any of you are interested in this but here goes... The British WTF-style student national championship was held in Bristol on Saturday the 11th of March. At a rough estimate, there were about 250 fighters in attendance. In particular there were lots of beginners. Most of the day was taken up with sparring. There were four categories - novice (9th-8th gup), intermediate (7th-4th), senior (3rd-1st) and Dan, and eight weight categories, making around 200 fights divided over 4 rings! Lancaster and Newcastle had very strong teams and did very well in the sparring. Kingston and Bristol kicked butt too. As there were students from lots of different universities there were lots of varied sparring techniques being used. Since there were 4 rings it was hard to decide what to watch next, because there was always some action going on. The atmosphere was great! Most of the people there were having a good time. Cheering was allowed and so everyone had the fun of cheering on their friends. There was also electronic scoring so the spectators could see the score and this made things even more tense and exciting! The patterns were held afterwards, at around 5pm. Bristol cleaned up on the medals here. I got to see the Dan patterns for the first time - they were awesome! My legs are still aching but it was more than worth it to attend and take part. Donnla. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Donnla Nic Gearailt Computer Laboratory, New Museums Site, Graduate Student Pembroke St., Cambridge CB2 3QG, U.K. tel: +44-1223-334619 http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~dbn20/ ------------------------------ From: foxdragon@cuttingedge.net Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 06:20:51 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: chun-ji. confusion of where kihaps are to be Silke, I am just a little confused here. In our chun-ji we have two kihaps. One at the beginning and one at the end. Are your kihaps are different or is this a typeo? Donna > Our Chon-Ji is now (not including turns): > > 1. left low block/left front stance > 2. right punch/right front stance > 3. right low block/right front stance > 4. left punch/left front stance > 5. left low block/left front stance > 6. right punch/right front stance > 7. right low block/right front stance > 8. left punch/left front stance (kihap) > 9. left innerforearm block/left back stance > 10. right punch/right front stance > 11. right innerforearm block/right back stance > 12. left punch/left front stance > 13. left innerforearm block/left back stance > 14. right punch/right front stance > 15. right innerforearm block/right back stance > 16. left punch/left front stance > 17. right punch/right front stance (kihap) > 18. left punch/left front stance (moving backward) > 19. right punch/right front stance > > Is this different from the Chang Han Ryu forms practiced by the ITF? > > Chris, I hope this answers your question. > > Silke Schulz - -- Me and my shadow ------------------------------ From: "Vaught, Clifford (CLF N6Y2K8)" Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 08:58:25 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #161 YMCATKD- Soo Bahk Do Moo Duk Kwan is the organization found by Grandmaster Hwang Kee. It is also the founding organization of Tang Soo Do. As to the forms, we do forms that originated with the Okinawans, as well as other forms created by GM Hwang Kee. Just a quick, simple explanation of the style - there's a lot more out there to the interested practitioners. Soo Bahk!! Cliff Vaught - ------------------------------ From: YMCATKD@aol.com Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 00:42:29 EST Subject: the_dojang: History <<>> I believe Soo Bahk Do is Mu Duk Kwan.....GM Hwang Kee's group. My understanding is that they do Okinwian forms of Shorin Ryu. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 06:55:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #164 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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