From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #167 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Tues, 14 March 2000 Vol 07 : Num 167 In this issue: the_dojang: No Thought, No Mind the_dojang: Chon Ji Kihaps... the_dojang: Re: Chon-Ji Kihaps the_dojang: Re:kicks,spins&kihap the_dojang: RE: Chon Ji Kihops the_dojang: Seminar the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #165 [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 800+ members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MichaelChoi@aol.com Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 23:34:52 EST Subject: the_dojang: No Thought, No Mind As Master Hal Whalen mentioned, in martial arts, it is crucial to achieve "no thought, no mind." I will discuss briefly the origin of the phrase "no mind." In Korean and Japanese, the expression is "mu shim" which means empty mind or no mind. This is a basic teaching of Buddhism, which supposes that the root of all evil is desire. The way of salvation is (supposedly) achieved by eliminating all desire. The way of eliminating all desire is to "empty your mind" of the external world. (Mind you, this is probably only one school of thought within Buddhism.) At first glance, one may conclude that there is no correlation between the Buddhist concept of "mu shim" and the martial art concept of "mu shim." They are both similar in the doctrine of eliminating all that is extraneous. For martial arts, one repeats the technique until all error is eliminated and the technique is internalized, or in other words, "it becomes second nature." In Zen Buddhism, one meditates in order to eliminate all extraneous thought until the "True Mind" is achieved. Nevertheless, there is a difference between the two types of "mu shim." Sincerely, Michael Choi ------------------------------ From: "tink73" Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 00:00:15 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Chon Ji Kihaps... Does anyone know where the Kihaps are in General Choi's book? Silke Silke... In the book I have...1979 version...there is no Kihap listed in the pattern for Chon Ji...However...in GM Rhees book there are three...one at the first low block (movement one)...One on the punch at the top of the + (movement 8) and on the last punch at the very end(movement 19) ... and the way I was taught there was one Kihap on the punch at the top of the + before stepping backwards (movement 17)... I have also seen it performed with the Kihap at the beginning (movement 1) and one at the end (movement 19)... I have seen it with only one Kihap on Movement 17 ... And with only one Kihap on movement 19... It's a matter of interpretation by the Master/GM instructor.... The One and Only... Tink ------------------------------ From: Piotr Bernat Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 23:46:35 +0200 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Chon-Ji Kihaps > Does anyone know where the kihaps are in General Choi's book? > > Silke In Gen. Choi`s books, there are NO kihaps in patterns. None. Regards - -- Piotr Bernat dantaekwondo@lublin.home.pl http://www.taekwondo.prv.pl ------------------------------ From: Oregfightingarts@aol.com Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 02:12:40 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re:kicks,spins&kihap Greetings all, I'm not keeping track of who made what comments, but I have some input on much of it. 1. Kicks - Fancy kicks are alot like forms in relation to real application of technique...most just wont work in a real situation. However...the ability to perform fancy kicks and high jumps combined with agility and spinning can only improve your ability to perform the basic, most useful techniques in real combat. Jumps (plyometrics), spins (balance/timing), high techniques (muscle flexibility) all serve to make the most basic technique more effective. Do the fastest, highest, most difficult arial techniques that YOU can. Everyone has different ceilings of performance. If we constantly challenge those ceilings, we can retain some of that 'younger' ability. As we age, we must still challenge ourselves and not get caught up in the attitude that we shouldnt bother trying because some young whippersnapper can out-whatever us...and besides, we've been there done that and have wisdom that the young people dont. :) 2. Starting difficult kicks early can make them outstanding in a few years...case in point. When I was a yellow belt, a friend and I started doing running jumping spinning back kicks. Yes, we looked terrible, but now (18 years later), we both think nothing of doing, at will, a jumping spinning backkick over several people and breaking 4 or 5 boards. Hundreds, if not thousands of repetitions over the years of this difficult technique have made it very easy and natural for us to do, which should be the goal of all training...to do the techniques without thought. 3.Kihaps - Most of the forms I practice (taeguek, palgue, changhun, gohakukai, shotokan) have specific places where I was taught to kihap...but in some of them, I have added more. Many people kihap just because its required without knowing the meaning behind the 'spirited' shout. Many arts dont teach the intent that should be behind a ki hap. For those who need help, read Miyamoto Musashi's book of 5 rings, he goes into it. Kihap where you feel it is appropriate, as well as places where you need to. For example, I like the idea of kihaping at the beginning of chunji, at #8, and at #20. Thats all for now...back to lurking. Respectfully, Mark Gajdostik Oregon Fighting Arts-TKD TNT-Police Combatives ------------------------------ From: David Gordon Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 08:37:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: the_dojang: RE: Chon Ji Kihops We have 2 Kihop points in Chon-Ji. At the first move; which is our left down- ward block and the last punch, right before you bow. - -- David, 2nd Dan, TKD. ------------------------------ From: TaoArt@aol.com Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 08:47:49 EST Subject: the_dojang: Seminar __Apprehension Techniques and Self Defense on Ice__ This seminar will cover self defense and apprehension techniques (for Law Enforcement and Correctional Officers) while on slippery surfaces. We will be having specialists from different fields and locations visit for this seminar to explore the best means for defense as well as effective apprehension techniques while on ice/low friction surfaces. The course will be held on March 25th at 2PM at our facility in Waltham for 2 hours and then relocate to the Ice Rink in Stoneham, MA for 2 additional hours of self defense and apprehension training on the ice. The first two hours will concentrate on how to establish a controlled fall and using the surface to you advantage. We will cover concepts integral to escape as well as apprehension (for LE and CO's) while training on mats that have been coated with wet soap. We will then follow up with the last two hours at the ice rink with participants suited in head, elbow and knee protection. Participants should bring: Any protective gear available to you (we have a limited number of units to be shared) including knee and elbow pads as well as bike/hockey/sparring headgear and cup for men. You should also bring a water bottle, a change of clothes (for after the ice practice), warm clothes (the ice rink is cold), a towel, and for LE and CO's: Duty Rig with Handcuffs. The cost of the seminar is $15.00. To register, send a check payable to: Guard Up, Inc. At WAC 249 Lexington Street Waltham, MA 02452 You can also register online with a credit card at www.guardup.com. There WILL be a cap on the number of participants to insure quality instruction. For directions to the Guard Up facility at the Waltham Athletic Club go to: www.guardup.com. Guard Up's CLE (Cooperative Learning Exchange) Seminars are not-for-profit events that promote the sharing of knowledge among experts and beginners regarding scenario based self defense. Please bring your brain and leave your ego at the door. Thank you and we hope to see you there! Meghan Gardner Guard Up, Inc. www.GuardUp.com "Carry love in your heart and a knife in your pocket at all times." me ------------------------------ From: Grovesnake@aol.com Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 11:03:41 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #165 Hello to all in this fine Martial Arts list.............................I practice " Chang Hon " Taekwon Do. This is General Choi Hong Hi's pseudonym meaning "BLUE COTTAGE", given to him by his calligraphy teacher in Korea. This system uses fast and slow , light and forceful movements with extensive foot -work. A "SINE WAVE" is added to further increase the power at the proper point of impact. Choi Hong Hi , as did many Koreans, studied Martial Arts via Japan and China. He attained a 2nd Degree Black Belt in Japanese Shotokan Karate. As the years passed, he changed many movements in kicking , punching , stances, and created 24 forms. Many Taekwondo styles still have their original Japanese moves, but in the case of "Chang Hon", patterns, stances , and the Sine Wave, changed the art quite a bit. As far as when to Ki-Hap in the forms: If you practice the ITF Taekwon Do, as invented by Choi Hong Hi, starting with the first(10thGUP) white belt form: Chong Ji and ending with the last(1stGUP) red with black stipe form: Choong Moo, there are no Ki-Haps. You expell your breath during every move in the pattern, kind of like the sound a boxer makes when hitting a bag or an opponent, and you add the unique "Sine Wave" in every step..It makes it very natural and powerful...One must see it to understand it!!! When you finish your last movement in a pattern, you then yell the name of that pattern...Thats it, no ki-haps, nothing else..... Taekwon, . Fernando ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 08:15:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #167 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.