From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #168 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Tues, 14 March 2000 Vol 07 : Num 168 In this issue: the_dojang: Receiving Black Belt the_dojang: Re: No Thought, No Mind the_dojang: Re: no mind the_dojang: Concerns w/the USTU ?? the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #167 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #165 the_dojang: High Level Kicking the_dojang: Hapkido vs. Aikido [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 800+ members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ates, Michelle (ATESML)" Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 11:34:30 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Receiving Black Belt Has anyone ever heard of an instructor testing a student for Black Belt over the course of a year or more without the student really knowing? All the while recording grades for specific forms, terminology, techniques, etc. Then presenting the surprised student with their black belt at a regularly scheduled class. Michelle ------------------------------ From: dbuehrer@denver.carl.org Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 09:47:36 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: No Thought, No Mind >From: MichaelChoi@aol.com >Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 23:34:52 EST >Subject: the_dojang: No Thought, No Mind > >As Master Hal Whalen mentioned, in martial arts, it is crucial to achieve "no >thought, no mind." I will discuss briefly the origin of the phrase "no mind." >In Korean and Japanese, the expression is "mu shim" which means empty mind or >no mind. This is a basic teaching of Buddhism, which supposes that the root >of all evil is desire. The way of salvation is (supposedly) achieved by >eliminating all desire. The way of eliminating all desire is to "empty your >mind" of the external world. I wouldn't want to live my life this way, but the practice of emptying one's mind to eliminate desire while practicing martial arts has worked well for me. I had my first taste of this during my belt test for 8th Gup. I was set up to break a board with an overhand knife hand attack. While standing in ready position a line from The Matrix came to mind, "There is no spoon." I decided on a whim to tell my self that "there is no board." Somehow, I removed the presence of the board from my mind. I moved my feet, swung my hand over my head, rotated my hips, heard a resounding crack, and found that my hand had gone through the board. By removing the presence of the board from my conscious mind, the desire to break the board was eliminated. That left me with only a desire to perform the technique precisely. Breaking the board became a side-effect of performing the technique, not the goal. To Life, - -David Buehrer 6th Gup, Hapkido http://www.users.uswest.net/~abaker3 - -- "Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday ... and all is well." ------------------------------ From: JSaportajr@aol.com Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 11:54:57 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: no mind In a message dated 3/14/00 11:25:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Subject: the_dojang: No Thought, No Mind >> Hi Ive been listening in for a while but have not introduced myself. My name is Jose' Saporta. I have been training in martial arts off and on for over twenty years. I began in Omaha Nebraska in the ATA under Master Haeng Ung Lee and Dale Craig. This was the early days of the ATA when many great Masters were involved, including He ll Cho of LosAngeles and Dr Kim of Hapkido fame from Baton Rouge. I have trained with a number of different Korean Masters, and I trained in Shotokan for a number of years. I have trained under Master Steven Carrasco in Needham Ma for the last 5 years or so and I have a 2nd Dan in WTF Taekwondo from the Kukiwon. I trained in traditional jujitsu for about two years with Shihan James Jones. I am now training in Hapkido with Master Hal Whalen in addition to continuing my TKD training. I am a member of the USTU but will be resigning that membership due to my disappointment in the corrupt politics that permeate that organization, but that is another story for another time. I am also a medical doctor specializing in psychiatry. I enjoyed Mr. Choi's discussion of mu shin. However, while you said that the Buddhist and the martial arts use of the concept of mushin are different, I did not understand and you did not elaborate how they are different. Could you expand on this point? Thanks, Jose' ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 9:40:14 PST Subject: the_dojang: Concerns w/the USTU ?? > Hal Whalen in addition to continuing my TKD training. I am a member of the > USTU but will be resigning that membership due to my disappointment in the > corrupt politics that permeate that organization, but that is another story > for another time. There are many USTU folks reading this list. Please tell us your concerns else they cannot be addressed. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Vaught, Clifford (CLF N6Y2K8)" Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 12:50:50 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #167 To Kihap or not to Kihap- I practice Soo Bahk Do Moo Duk Kwan. Somewhere in the discussion of when to kihap, if to kihap, why kihap, what's a sine wave anyways, perhaps someone from outside TKD can jump in and further stir the pot. When I initially started training in the Norris Tang Soo Do system, we were taught to kihap because: 1) intimidates an opponent, 2) focuses energy, 3) picks you up or gives you added confidence, and 4) sharply expels the air in your lungs/diaphragm so that you don't "get the wind knocked out of you." Now, since resuming training 6 years ago (this month!) in Soo Bahk Do Moo Duk Kwan, that hasn't changed. In our forms there are specific places to kihap but you are free to add more as you feel the need - to reenergize you. It seems odd to hear the group on the "no kihap" side of the discussion advance the merits of their position in favor of the "sine wave" (sorry - no clue - maybe we call it something else). There's no burden to doing a kihap and to not do so keeps you from doing #1 above, if not 2 and 3. So other than making sure for the testing of a student that they at least get their requirements right for hyungs, I believe it is important to kihap, but really the discussion seems a little pointless. I love to tell the young, young ones that the school is one place without a doubt they can yell and not have their mother scolding them! :) Soo Bahk!! Cliff Vaught ------------------------------ From: Morgan Kochel Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 13:04:07 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #165 Hello! A quick intoduction: I'm a 36-year-young female who started studying Tang Soo Do last November. I've had previous martial arts training in Wing Chun, Karate, and Tae Kuk Mu Sul. I'm new to this list. In trying to learn some of the background of my new art, I've gotten confused about something. I understand that Tang Soo Do is the style I practice. What, exactly is Moo Duk Kwan, and how is it related to TSD? At one point I thought the names were interchangeable, then I thought TSD was a part of MDK, as Wing Chun is a part of Wushu. Now I'm thinking it must be another art. Everyone in my school seems to have a different answer! Can you help? Also, I'm looking for a good book on fighting *and* healing using pressure points. I don't want an accupressure book, and I don't want a Dim Mak book (unless it's a good one). I'd love to have something from the Korean point of view. Can anyone recommend one? The "Encyclopedia of Dim Mak" (both volumes) were suggested to me at one point. Any thoughts on this? Thanks in advance for all your help! Pilseung! Morgan ------------------------------ From: Morgan Kochel Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 13:07:42 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: High Level Kicking Ken wrote, in part: > As someone previously noted, in a real world situation what do you > think would be better: > > a. One of those fancy smancy high kicks, or: > > b. A low line level kick to X's knee, shin, or thigh ? > > If you click on b above, then why practice the aero kicks ? Again, no slam > on other styles or training. Just thinking over practical stuff. I agree with you completely, BUT I would think that practicing those high kicks not only gives you the option of being able to use them should a situation ever arise in which they'd be useful, but also strengthens your current abilities at low-level kicking by increasing your strength, flexibility, power and range. Besides that, they're fun. :-P Pilseung! Morgan ------------------------------ From: Morgan Kochel Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 13:10:09 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Hapkido vs. Aikido Can someone tell me if what the main differences are between Hapkido and Aikido? I'm only slightly familiar with both, but to me they seem very similar. Thanks. Pilseung! Morgan ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 14:04:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #168 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.