From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #175 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Thur, 16 March 2000 Vol 07 : Num 175 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #167 the_dojang: Thanks the_dojang: Re: Concerns with the USTU the_dojang: Re: USTU politics the_dojang: heavy or light within the division the_dojang: Fw: schools? Re: the_dojang: Fw: schools? the_dojang: re: tae bo and CardioKarate the_dojang: Punching to the face the_dojang: Re: Tang Soo Do / Moo Duk Kwan / Soo Bahk Do the_dojang: Re: Tang Soo Do / Moo Duk Kwan / Soo Bahk Do the_dojang: "kong" the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #174 the_dojang: Aikido/Hapkido the_dojang: "Chambering" Blocks the_dojang: Typos [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 800+ members strong! 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To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: YMCATKD@aol.com Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 19:59:08 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #167 << In Korean and Japanese, the expression is "mu shim" which means empty mind or no mind.>> I have been under the impression that MU refers to martial and SHIM is mind....so wouldnt Mu Shim be military or martial mind?? <<> I agree with this.......this is were most people fail in martial arts. ------------------------------ From: Ann-Marie White Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 20:14:47 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Thanks Just wanted to say thank you for the responses. My plyometrics books should be arriving shortly :). Ann-Marie - --------- Ann-Marie White, Ph.D. Veterinary and Animal Sciences University of Massachusetts, Amherst 413-545-5543 annmarie@vasci.umass.edu ------------------------------ From: JSaportajr@aol.com Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 20:36:42 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: Concerns with the USTU In a message dated 3/15/00 7:51:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << From: Tkdtiger@aol.com Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 15:37:46 EST Subject: the_dojang: >> Dear Master Sweet, I will forward your post to Master Steven Carrasco. I will send you his e-mail address privately. Thank you. Jose' Saporta ------------------------------ From: JSaportajr@aol.com Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 22:13:54 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: USTU politics I would like to clarify one point. Master Steven Carrasco, the victim of the sham election in Massachusetts did not quit and has not to my knowledge resigned from the USTU. I am the one who is not planning to renew my membership. I am just a run of the mill member and a bystander in all the politics. I do know that Master Carrasco made repeated attempts to address his grievances within the USTU structure and was stone walled and denied due process at every turn. The attorney, who again is a Kukiwon 5th Dan reviewed the USTU bylaws in detail and showed numerous instances in which they were violated in this case. It was only when Master Carrasco's options for addressing this within the USTU structure failed repeatedly that legal action was considered. I do not know what direction this will take from here. However, these legal actions are very costly and it would be a shame if due to this fact Master Ahn and his cronies get their way. As for what top USTU officials such as Master Sang Lee would or would not do for his friends I will not comment on this specifically. I do think that some Korean Masters have not understood how differently things are done and conflicts are settled in this country, and I have even heard of resorts to violence to settle organizational conflicts. Perhaps others more knowledgeable about this can comment. I have enjoyed the responses thus far, I have forwarded them all to Master Carrasco, and I am content to let the issue go. If it is important to others to continue this thread, I will listen in with interest but not comment further unless I am able to make a substantive contribution. Jose' ------------------------------ From: "John Bennett" Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 20:58:42 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: heavy or light within the division > From: "Mitar" > The question is: is it better to have the minimal or the maximal weight in your category? That's a tough one. Assume that being faster = more wins in Olympic TKD. One would think that the lighter person would be faster. However, that is not always the case. Speed is the result of muscular strength. Hmmmm. I don't think I could say which would be better. Speed varies greatly irrespective of an individual's size. ------------------------------ From: "hkdhal" Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 23:02:41 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: Fw: schools? I have forwarded your request to some other Masters so as to see if anyone can Help? - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 4:56 AM Subject: schools? > Hi I live in the Denver,Colorado area and i would like to know if you can > recommend a Hapkido school in my area > > Thank for your help > Kevin Blay 303-224-0432 > vacantonly@aol.com > ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 20:45:36 PST Subject: Re: the_dojang: Fw: schools? > I have forwarded your request to some other Masters so as to see if anyone > can Help? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 4:56 AM > Subject: schools? > > > Hi I live in the Denver,Colorado area and i would like to know if you can > > recommend a Hapkido school in my area > > > > Thank for your help > > Kevin Blay 303-224-0432 > > vacantonly@aol.com How about Walter Chipley in Arvada? Walt is affiliated with JR West. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Laura Kamienski Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 00:49:44 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: re: tae bo and CardioKarate Hello there. This isn't the first time the issue of Tae Bo as self defense has come up. As an instructor of both traditional martial arts, CardioKarate/Aerobic Kickboxing and women's self defense I would like to address your post. First I think there has always been a fitness element and component to traditional martial arts. Often times being a separate program of sorts. Aerobic kickboxing is nothing new. I don't think that aerobic kickboxing classes really fool anyone who would otherwise consider a traditional martial arts program or SD class. It is a separate thing, plain and simple. The market which will attend a CardioKarate class is overwhelmingly different than the market interested in practicing traditional martial arts. I think we would be wise to spend your time figuring out ways to cross over programs rather than getting rid of one. I'm starting to have success in this area as well. Four of the women who take my aerobic kicboxing class have started taking traditional martial arts as well. It is a tool for promoting the art we so much love. The fitness club I teach at is going to do a 4 or 6 week women's self defense seminar due to my efforts as well. I am very proud of this achievement. Aerobic kickboxing has been an extremely important tool in terms of women's self defense and empowering women. Many women who would never consider taking a formal martial arts class come to CardioKarate where they do learn, at least from me, a decent; front kick, side kick, round kick, how to make a fist, elbow strikes, palm heels and knee kicks. They learn applications and practice them in various combinations which are usable in a self defense situation. They learn to say NO assertively, and hear the words that no one has the right to hurt them. No one! Not a boyfriend, step father, brother, friend...no one...many for the first times in their lives. They have a great time doing it too! I sometimes teach them some basic escapes from grabs after the cool down. I've heard time and time again, that those who have trained in the martial arts and have then been assaulted, use these simple techniques and not hurricane kicks, etc. to defend themselves. My program gives them these tools as well as a new awareness that as women, they are capable of defending themselves. I've had many of my participants confide in me about abuse and assaults as well as telling me that the class makes them feel powerful for the first time in their lives. I think we all know that attitude and awareness is the first component in successfully escaping any self defense scenario. They are gaining these tools through this program. They may never have otherwise done so. I think that the popularization of women's self defense will be the next huge wave in martial arts. I am embracing the challenge. :^) Laura - -- lkamiens@ptd.net lkamnski@bucknell.edu http://home.switchboard.com/LKamienski ____________________________________________________ "I am not an angry girl. But it seems I've got everyone fooled. Every time I say something they find hard to hear, they chalk it up to my anger and never to their own fear." Ani DiFranco ____________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: jmada@ecentral.com Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 00:46:13 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Punching to the face My 8 year old son has been sparring in USTU type TKD tournaments for a couple of years. I've become concerned lately about reports that another TKD school in the area is instructing their students to intentionally punch their opponents in the face during sparring competitions. Although they may get a deduction for this, they do it to "throw their opponent off of their game". These reports are not just rumor. A ten year old girl from my son's TKD school sparred someone from that other school and ended up getting punched and bloodied. At the USTU Olympic Team Trial Qualification tournament last weekend, I saw a girl from that other school get a penalty for a punch, and in a later match, she was disqualified after her second punch to her opponent's throat. Although my son has never been intentionally hurt, as he keeps progressing in rank (he's currently a 2nd Gup) and age, I'm afraid that at some time he will become a victim of some kind of illegal and dangerous tactic. I'm wondering how I should tell my son to handle that situation. I think he is strong enough mentally that if I warned him that an opponent might try to punch his face, it wouldn't affect his sparring too much. However, what should he do after someone intentionally punches him, just accept the point deduction for the other guy and shake hands after the match? It makes me so angry that someone can take a flagrant cheap shot at an opponent and virtually get away with it. I'd like to tell my son that if it happened to him, to punch the other guy back as soon as he could. It may be vengeful and stooping to their level, but it would sure feel good, and it may teach the other guy a lesson. I'm also interested in hearing from tournament and USTU officials on how they would handle flagrant and intentional punches to the face, and how it can be outlawed. I personally think the person should be disqualified immediatly, without warning, and banned from future competitions for a period of time. Your comments and advice are welcome either to the list or directly to me. Thank you. John P. ------------------------------ From: Nick McKenna Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:00:51 -0000 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Tang Soo Do / Moo Duk Kwan / Soo Bahk Do Dear All ------------------------------ From: Nick McKenna Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:05:13 -0000 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Tang Soo Do / Moo Duk Kwan / Soo Bahk Do Dear All Many thanks to those of you who have replied with information about this thread. I am now several million times more informed than I was before! I am going to start a web page about the origins and influences of Tang Soo Do / Moo Duk Kwan / Soo Bahk Do. I'm glad that this subject has sparked a little controversy and that it has remained civilised at the same time. Perhaps this is unique to martial arts mailing lists?! A couple of books on the subject of the origins of these arts have been suggested already - does anyone have any other suggestions for books / mags / electronic resources? Once again, many thanks for participating in this thread. Tang Soo! Nick McKenna. ------------------------------ From: Kim Jones Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 03:00:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: "kong" Interesting depiction of "kong." You know the set of cardinal (ordinal?!? Someone clear me up; I'm confuzzled) numbers--il, i, sam, sa, o, yuk, chil, pal, ku, sip--are often used in everyday life for Koreans and other people. Zero is "kong" in that set...for example, calling out a phone number to my mother the other night was something like chil-sa-ku ku-kong-pal-chil (749-9087). I guess it can be taken to mean "void" or "nothing," hence it's use as a number...any additional thoughts or additions to that train of thought of mine? ===== ~~Kim Jones *ladytimberland@yahoo.com* ICQ: 52828008 AOL: Lady Timberland "All the things that seemed once to be so important to me seem so trivial now...that I can see." Cranberries, "Shattered" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "Vaught, Clifford (CLF N6Y2K8)" Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 07:35:08 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #174 Wow - I am not very confused. I thought there were just 2 TKD organizations: ITF and WTF. How does the USTU fit in? What is the USTF and the KATU? Anyone care to briefly describe the relationships? Soo Bahk!! Cliff Vaught ------------------------------ From: "Farral, Kim G" Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 07:20:19 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Aikido/Hapkido Master Booth... Yes...I agree...thank you for the clarification...Aikido is Passwive while Hapkido is Agressive...sharing the same origins but diverse in application and philosophy. I believe the orginal art form, which the two share as the common ancestor, was simply called Kido. If this is not correct, please let me know. My appologies for the misconception... The One and Only... Tink ------------------------------ From: "Farral, Kim G" Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 07:43:16 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: "Chambering" Blocks Referencing the "Chambering" of blocks: We practice full length of motion, such as reaching back as far as we can to perform a double knife-hand guarding block, because that teaches the muscles and joints in our body to work in unison with each other to provide the maximum amount of power and strength while protecting our body from over stress and injury. This is the "Technique" of the art form. We continually practice the "Technique" so that the movements and motions become second nature to our minds and bodies. With "Proper Technique" comes timing, speed, power, extension, focus, and projection. As you develop and grow in the art, you will find that you are able to achieve the previous mentioned in a short length of motion until you are capable of performing each in a matter of inches as opposed to the full range of motion. This is possible because your body has become accustomed to the motion and your mind has learned to generate the power, force, and strength to accomplish the goal without the full range of motion. BUT we continue to practice the full range of motion and the "Technique" continuously to maintain our proficiency when needed. So when Sparring or when confronted in an aggressive manner...DO NOT use the full range of motion unless you wish to end up in the hospital or worse. You perform in the shortest fastest manner to which your mind and body are capable and protect yourself while stopping your opponents attack. The practicing of the "Technique" is for practice and forms to develop our mind and body to execute the necessary blocks as required, when needed, and in the shortest and fastest time possible. Sorry for rambling, but I am a firm believer in practicing "Proper Technique" to produce the best and greater results in timing, speed, power, extension, focus, and projection. (I'm a stickler for details in "Proper Technique" and forms...just ask my students...drives them nuts) The One and Only... Tink ------------------------------ From: "Farral, Kim G" Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 07:48:30 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Typos I would like to apologize to all for the typos in my postings...even with spell check I overlook words in proof reading...sometimes I don't use the checker and just rely on my proofing since the spell check does not correct proper context... The main reason I have so many typos is I have Dyslexic Fingers...a terrible affliction for which there is no cure but time...and LOTS of practice...just like Martial Arts... My fingers don't always type what my mind is seeing...thanks for being so understanding...My fingers thank you as well... The One and Only... Tink ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 06:37:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #175 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.