From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #176 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Thur, 16 March 2000 Vol 07 : Num 176 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: Taekwondo Organizations the_dojang: Minimal vs Maximal Weight the_dojang: Re: Hapkido/Aikido the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #175 the_dojang: Re: Schools? the_dojang: chambering the_dojang: Re: chambering blocks the_dojang: RE: ITF politics the_dojang: Re: Hock Hockheim the_dojang: Re: Tang Soo Do and Wing Chun the_dojang: RE: Full range of motion. the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #175 the_dojang: Denver hapkido schools... the_dojang: RE: ITF politics the_dojang: Chung Do Kwan, Daito Ryu Books etc. [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 800+ members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ATATKD@aol.com Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:49:02 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: Taekwondo Organizations In a message dated 3/16/00 9:42:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Wow - I am not very confused. I thought there were just 2 TKD organizations: ITF and WTF. How does the USTU fit in? What is the USTF and the KATU? Anyone care to briefly describe the relationships? >> That would make things simple.. there are a lot of taekwondo organizations out there. Some others include: 1. American Takwondo association which is associated with the Songahm Taekwondo Federation and World Traditional Taekwondo Union. 2. International Taekwondo Council 3. American Taekwondo Federation Joe ------------------------------ From: "Farral, Kim G" Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 08:58:23 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Minimal vs Maximal Weight Minimal vs Maximal Weight Pease don't take this offensively as it is not meant to be... Speed IS NOT a result of muscular strength...and weight has NOTHING to do with speed or strength...speed is a result of practice and conditioning of the mind and body through Proper Technique...strength is a result of building muscle groups through physical activity whether it be weight lifting, callistenics, or the like...and may I say...AGE tends to slow many of us down significantly...Speed has NOTHING to do with strength... I happen to know of some VERY heavy weights...they are faster than most...don't let size fool you! The One and Only... Tink ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:01:50 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: Hapkido/Aikido << I believe the orginal art form, which the two share as the common ancestor, was simply called Kido. If this is not correct, please let me know. >> Actually they share a background in Aki jujitsu as taught by Takeda Sokaku. (Koreans call this Dai Dong Dong Ryu Yu Sool) Morihei Ueshiba also studied under Takeda Sensei and then went on to found Aikido. The exact nature of Choi Young Sool's learning from Takeda is not certain, and you will read different things. But it is pretty accepted that he was influenced by Aki jujitsu just as Aikido was. http://members.aol.com/aburrese/ ------------------------------ From: Robert Martin Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 08:09:17 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #175 - ------------------------------ From: "Vaught, Clifford (CLF N6Y2K8)" Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 07:35:08 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #174 Wow - I am not very confused. I thought there were just 2 TKD organizations: ITF and WTF. How does the USTU fit in? What is the USTF and the KATU? Anyone care to briefly describe the relationships? Soo Bahk!! Cliff Vaught - ------------------------------ The ITF and WTF are the two very large TKD organizations. The USTU is the WTF representative in the United States (National Governing Body - NGB). The USTF (United States Taekwon-Do Federation) is the NGB for the ITF in the U.S with Grand Master Sereff as the president. The KATU (KoreAmerica Taekwon-Do Union) is another ITF organization in the U.S. headed by Grand Master Hwang. There are hundreds of other organizations that are either independent or affiliated with these groups. Hope this helps Robert Martin ------------------------------ From: dbuehrer@denver.carl.org Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 08:14:50 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Schools? From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 4:56 AM Subject: schools? > Hi I live in the Denver,Colorado area and i would like to know if you can > recommend a Hapkido school in my area > > Thank for your help > Kevin Blay 303-224-0432 > vacantonly@aol.com Larry Hampton Kwa Ja Nim 7th Dan Phone: 303-756-1423 He teaches Hapkido on Tuesdays and Thursdays from 6:30pm to 8:00pm at South Highschool (near University and I-25) in the wrestling room. Feel free to come to a class and check it out. You can take classes for a week for free to see if you like it before you put any money into it. Mr. Hampton charges on a monthly basis ($50/month) and for tests. He also teaches classes at the Colorado School of Mines in Golden. But you have to be a CSM student to take those classes. He also teaches classes someplace else, but I'm not sure where. If you call him, expect to get his answering machine as he's pretty busy. And tell him David Buehrer sent you :) If you have any questions feel free to email me. To Life, - -David Buehrer 6th Gup, Hapkido http://www.users.uswest.net/~abaker3 - -- "Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday ... and all is well." ------------------------------ From: Gregory Giddins Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 08:49:30 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: chambering You know, in two of the Tang Soo Do schools I trained at we were taught to "chamber the block", but not for the purpose of generating a stronger block by "winding up" or over reaching in the opposite direction--- but because the block IS the chamber, or the crossing of the arms. (warning--this does not apply to knife hand blocks, just to blocks where the arms cross in front of the body, please bear with my spin on this thread) You cross your arms to "catch" the punch, then the "block" is the brush off, if a high block, you "brush off" the opponents strike high, if an outside block, you brush it off to the outside. So in essence, crossing your arms is what protects you from the strike, you are not meeting the strike with your outside blocking motion. This doesnt work in all cases, some blocks are taught as interceptions, but the first few basic blocks are taught in this manner. Greg Giddins Accounting Dept. Loronix Information Systems, Inc. gregoryg@loronix.com "What we hope ever to do with ease, we must learn first to do with diligence." - Samuel Johnson ------------------------------ From: JSaportajr@aol.com Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:55:32 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: chambering blocks In a message dated 3/16/00 9:43:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << We practice full length of motion, such as reaching back as far as we can to perform a double knife-hand guarding block, because that teaches the muscles and joints in our body to work in unison with each other to provide the maximum amount of power and strength while protecting our body from over stress and injury. This is the "Technique" of the art form >> and <> Thank you for encouraging me to be patient and develop and grow in the art before I make a judgment on this. I have a second dan, and I began Taekwondo in 1976 and trained off and on over these many years in ITF and WTF styles. I also studied Shotokan for three years. I still believe there is a problem in how we chamber for blocks in Taekwondo as it applies to self defense. For the art, and for forms it is beautiful and makes sense to do for the reasons that you describe. And I have developed the chamber so that it is just inches. But those inches still take time and are impractical in my opinion. I don't think there is time to do that when someone is punching you fast. I also do not agree with the argument that we do this in the dojang and for forms but would not do it in a self defense situation. We act under stress as we train repeatedly in the dojang. This was shown to me by how hard it was for me to break this automatic, ingrained habit. I believe the habit was good for forms and bad for the street. Perhaps we just disagree on this point, but I appretiate your response. Jose' ------------------------------ From: "Christopher Spiller" Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:58:00 GMT Subject: the_dojang: RE: ITF politics Dave Steffan wrote: >>In all honesty, we _do_ have (more than?) our fair share of >>politics, >>some of which comes out in competition. There are >>factions in the ITF >>that have serious issues with each other. Robert Martin wrote: >No kidding! Like the whole USTF/KATU thing. Who really "represents" >ITF >TKD in the United States? As a lowly 4th dan this just drives me >nuts! How is the relationship between these two organizations? Do members from one attend the other's competitions, seminars, etc? Also, I have noticed that there are now several ITF organizations in other countries besides the US. For example, in the UK there is the UKTA, the BUTF, and the UKTF. In Ireland there is the RITA, the AITA, and the INTA. Does anyone know how these organizations get along? (I know that the UKTF used to be part of the UKTA and then left the ITF and have apparently returned several years ago.) Also, since there are several member organizations in a single country can members of different orgs be on the same team in international competition or do they split the responsibility to represent their countries into junior and senior teams like KATU and the USTF? Not trying to start problems for people, just curious. Taekwon, Chris "Every experience of beauty points to infinity." Hans Urs von Balthasar ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: d.d.parker@juno.com Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:12:40 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Hock Hockheim Alain, If I remember correctly, doesn't Mr. Hockheim have black belts in several different martial arts. I would think that his Street Fighter program would be haevily influenced by this. Maybe I am confusing him with somebody else. Cheers, Daniel ------------------------------ From: d.d.parker@juno.com Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:27:02 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Tang Soo Do and Wing Chun Nick, Regarding the similarities between Tang Soo Do and Wing Chun, could you give us a few examples? I studied Tand Soo Do about twenty years ago under Master Hwang in Springfield NJ, and have studied some Wing Chun since then, and from what I remember, they are as different as night and day technique wise. Daniel ------------------------------ From: "Atchinson, Kerry M" Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:27:18 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Full range of motion. > From: "Farral, Kim G" > Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 07:43:16 -0600 > Subject: the_dojang: "Chambering" Blocks > > Referencing the "Chambering" of blocks: > > Sorry for rambling, but I am a firm believer in practicing "Proper > Technique" to produce the best and greater results in timing, speed, > power, > extension, focus, and projection. (I'm a stickler for details in "Proper > Technique" and forms...just ask my students...drives them nuts) > > The One and Only... > > Tink > > Folks, you can certainly believe Mr Farral on this one! We're all going n-n-n-n-n-nutsssssss. Kerry ------------------------------ From: jsegovia@mindspring.com Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 13:21:10 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #175 > I have been under the impression that MU refers to martial and SHIM is > mind....so wouldnt Mu Shim be military or martial mind?? You're thinking of the wrong Mu. The Mu in Mu Shim is the Chinese character with an arrowhead pointing upwards, being blocked by a horizontal line. It means 'no' or 'negative.' It's pronounced 'Fu' in Japanese, and I believe 'Bu' in Mandarin Chinese. Jesse ------------------------------ From: J Thomas Howard Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 13:05:37 -0600 (CST) Subject: the_dojang: Denver hapkido schools... Someone forwarded to the list: > > Hi I live in the Denver,Colorado area and i would like to know if you > > can recommend a Hapkido school in my area I would highly recommend Larry Hampton. He can be reached at 303-756-1423, and currently teaches class at the Colorado School of Mines, and holds classes in the wrestling room at South High School. David Buehrer, a member of this list, is in his class---David, what are the current class times? (I've been away from Denver for three years, and the schedule has changed.) Mr. Hampton doesn't mind people giving him a call, and asking questions. Ray said: > How about Walter Chipley in Arvada? Walt is affiliated with JR West. Can you give more info about Mr. Chipley? I didn't know of many other hapkido teachers in the Denver area. I'll note (again): There is a hapkido dojang directory at: http://www.binary.net/thomcat/Dojdir.html If you need to look something up, it is fairly decent. If you are hapkidoist, and your dojang isn't listed, please add it. (I'll note that I _am_ behind on getting it updated, so if your submission doesn't show up for a week or so, don't worry---it will.) Thomas Nebraska Hapkido Association - ------------------------------------ thomcat@binary.net http://www.binary.net/thomcat/ "If you aren't modeling what you are teaching then you are teaching something else." ------------------------------ From: Dave Steffen Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:15:07 -0700 (MST) Subject: the_dojang: RE: ITF politics > From: Robert Martin > begin snip > > In all honesty, we _do_ have (more than?) our fair share of politics, > some of which comes out in competition. There are factions in the ITF > that have serious issues with each other. > > end snip > > No kidding! Like the whole USTF/KATU thing. Who really "represents" > ITF TKD in the United States? As a lowly 4th dan this just drives > me nuts! Me too, but probably for different reasons. Yes, technically, _both_ of them represent the ITF in the States. No, nobody seems to know exactly what that means. ;-) Yes, I'm an ITF 4th Dan in Colorado. No, I'm not USTF; I'm KATU. Yes, that makes life interesting. ;-) Yes, there are some political things that need to be resolved. No, they're not ruining my life. ;-) - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Steffen Wave after wave will flow with the tide Dept. of Physics And bury the world as it does Colorado State University Tide after tide will flow and recede steffend@lamar.colostate.edu Leaving life to go on as it was... - Peart / RUSH "The reason that our people suffer in this way.... is that our ancestors failed to rule wisely". -General Choi, Hong Hi ------------------------------ From: "John Groff" Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:19:26 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: Chung Do Kwan, Daito Ryu Books etc. We have some more martial arts books up for auction on eBay this week, including BOTH books by Son, Duk Sung, and several books on Daito Ryu history. You can follow this link to read more--when you see a title that interests you, click the item number on the left to read all about the book: http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=shortgirl "Korean Karate" (1968) w/dj, includes all of the traditional forms taught in the original Chung Do Kwan up to black belt, and the second book by Son, "Black Belt Korean Karate" (1983) which includes advanced forms, tactics, and in-depth discussions concerning just about anything which might concern a consummate martial artist--sparring, self-defense, phsychology. Also two books on Daito Ryu aikijujutsu, which is the forerunner of the art of Hapkido (founder Choi Yong-sul is thought to have studied under Daito Ryu grandmaster Takeda Sokaku). One is "Samurai Aikijujutsu" by Toshishiro Obata (out of print for almost 15 years), the other is "Conversations with Daito-Ryu Masters", which focuses almost entirely on the history of this school by interviewing former students of Takeda's. Both books have lots of historical photos! More books going up tonight! Thanks, Chaney ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:34:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #176 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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