From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #178 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 17 March 2000 Vol 07 : Num 178 In this issue: the_dojang: Hapkido/Aikido the_dojang: Denver HapKiDo the_dojang: "Kong" the_dojang: re:sword maker the_dojang: Re Morgan the_dojang: Blocking the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #176 the_dojang: Re: Western approach to training?= Hi Dave= Call the Professor the_dojang: Re: USTU politics the_dojang: Re: Tang Soo Do and Wing Chun [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 800+ members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "G. Booth" Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 12:35:29 +1100 Subject: the_dojang: Hapkido/Aikido As Alain mentioned Hapkido and Aikido do share a common ancestor, however from that point they have taken decidedly different paths. A major reason for this was Ueshiba being heavily involved in Shintoism and the preservation of life, this change to the way Aikido was taught started after the 2nd World War, pre war Aikido still shared a lot of the more aggressive tenancies of Daito Ryu Aikijujitsu. Kido was the name given to Hapkido for a brief period of time when it was discovered that the kanji characters for Hapkido and Aikido were the same, the name was changed to differentiate between them, this however didn't last long and Kido was scrapped and Hapkido reused. From the use of Kido however the Kido Hwe was formed as the governing body in Korea for non-sport related martial arts. Anyway more food for thought, Regards Geoff Booth International Hapkido Alliance Australia Hapkido Group http://hapkido.netro.com.au "The art is in the person, all we have to do is bring it out" ------------------------------ From: "J. R. West" Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 19:57:24 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Denver HapKiDo Walter Chipley is now operating a HapKiDo school in Arvada, CO under the USKMAF. Walter trained with me at the HQ school in Jackson, MS for several years and relocated a few years ago to the Denver area and has decided to go out on his own. Walter Chipley is an EXCELLENT teacher, practitioner and person and I give him my highest recommendation Walter can be reached at 303-424-3843, or at wchipleyfa@aol.com... J. R. West www.hapkido.com ------------------------------ From: WEE Shin Hoe Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 10:43:22 +0800 Subject: the_dojang: "Kong" > From: SunBiNim@aol.com > Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:10:04 EST > Subject: the_dojang: "Kong" > > In a message dated 3/15/00 9:23:13 AM Central Standard Time,S. W. Wee writes: > > << Depending on how it is used, this same "Kong" character can refer to > emptiness, void, > air, space etc. >> > > When "Kong" means "strong", is that a different character? Should it then be > spelled and pronounced "kang" instead of "kong"? > > Mr. Choi mentioned that he heard my friend Mike Reed talk about our Han Mu Do > "Yuh, Shim, Kong, Kwan," phrase (relaxed mind, strong punch) that we use when > performing techniques. That is a fundemental principle of Han Mu Do. > Another fundamental principle that we study (at Black Belt level) is "Mu > Shim, Mu Kwan" (no mind, no punch). > > The first principle can be explained, as Mr. Choi did an excellent job of. > The second has to be found on one's own. > > Han, > Steve Kincade Dear Steve, "Kang" is a different character. It means strong, power, hard etc. An opposite of "Yu" as in Hapkido's three principles; "Yu", "Won" and "Hwa". Regards, S. H. Wee shinhoe@pc.jaring.my ------------------------------ From: Arthur Lee <7akl3@qlink.queensu.ca> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 22:20:37 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: re:sword maker I'm quite interested in what the terms this sword maker is using actually mean... I know that this is mainly a Korean MA mailing list.. but maybe someone out of the 800+ members could help me out here... if not a direct translation then maybe at least a good idea as what they do mean... Arthur ------------------------------ From: "tink73" Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:25:19 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re Morgan Morgan... Sounds like you have the right attitude...definitely find the art that suits YOU...and you are correct...Martial Arts are a way of life...not just a sport or an art form or a pass time or hobby...and I do agree with you on the ranking system...but it is a good and useful gage...for measuring one's skill level and determining how hard to push them...I hope you stick with TSD and make it your Art form of choice for your Martial Arts career...bouncing around from art to art is never fulfilling...and little is accomplished... GOOD LUCK Pil Seung The One and Only... Tink ------------------------------ From: "tink73" Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:44:05 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Blocking Will... Not to contradict your Instructors, but I have to disagree with the idea that a block on the street is useless and you automatically lose if you block...very far from the truth...having broken up a few street fights in my past...I can tell you the block is very effective...and you are not going to get your arm broken...if you block correctly...remember...most street fighters DON'T know how to kick with power or punch with power...in other words delivering a force strong enough to really harm you with the first blow...assuming you know what you are doing... The one thing I like to do is control my opponent...as soon as the punch is started, I stop it midway if not sooner and grab the wrist or arm...this is essentially a block...then use the grab to effectively deliver a strike...perhaps with an elbow, joint lock, or throw...just like one-step sparring...you stop the blow before it can be delivered...Granted...EVERY situation is different and you have to react in accordance to the situation...sometimes a block will work...sometimes a straight attack and strike is required first...YOU have to be the judge of how to handle the situation...as I said...I have stopped a few street fights...and bar fights...by simply standing with a hand forward towards the opponent in a blocking fashion to block the arm which is cocked...meanwhile my opposite hand is ready to strike and my stance is such that a kick can be delivered quickly if needed...the stance and hand position alone seems to intimidate most...no fighting necessary...but always be aware of your surroundings and the people around...remember...handle each situation on an individual basis...but don't believe you have lost if you have to block or that you will be injured...and don't believe in the idea that a block is impractical on the street... The One and Only... Tink ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 00:35:07 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #176 << Speed IS NOT a result of muscular strength...and weight has NOTHING to do with speed or strength...speed is a result of practice and conditioning of the mind and body through Proper Technique...strength is a result of building muscle groups through physical activity whether it be weight lifting, callistenics, or the like...and may I say...AGE tends to slow many of us down significantly...Speed has NOTHING to do with strength... >> This passage is not accurate. I have to finish a closing statement, a business audit and an editorial for BLACKBELT. I will then try and get something written about speed and strength. But for the moment, "Speed Strength" is one element of strength training, and strength is one element of speed. They are related! Yours in Training, Alain Burrese ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:58:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: Western approach to training?= Hi Dave= Call the Professor Dave: I admire your intelligence. Hence, won't tangle with a gifted intellect. Moreover, I will be brief since the whiskey is kicking in. The author is Professor James out of New York. He teaches Vee Jitsu Arnis. This was on one of his self-defense videos. You have to view the tape to understand the context of his viewpoints. Hit me privately with your address and I will make a copy of the video (of course with the permission from Professor James). Professor James is located at 25 Park Place, New York, New York. His telephone number is 212-349-3131. On his video Professor James states that if you have a question about his program or his ideas give him a call. He also says that if you think his techniques do not work visit him and if they do not work he will give you his Dojo. So, Dave, give the guy a call. Tell him "Big" Ken McD sent ya. Now, back to my whiskey. Cheers all. Ken McD... P.S. Dave your a great guy. I don't want to get tangled up in a debate on this issue. So give Professor James a call and debate with him. As I always say, "Keep your beer cold, your women (or men) hot, and may all your ups and downs be in bed." Now, back to my whiskey. - --- Dave Murray wrote: > From: Ken McDonough > > I was quoting from an author. > > Who is the author, and of what? > > > The author's premise > > is that the U.S. is a Western society. We are not an Asian society. > > Therefore, according to this author we must employ Western techniques > in > > our training (as well as traditional training). > > I'm always curious about what people mean when they say that. What are > Western techniques, as opposed to Asian techniques? > > > Further, the author > > indicated that even if many of the street thugs are in prison they > receive > > additional prison training from their partners in prison. In essence, > the > > U.S. is a much more brutal society than say Korea or Japan. His point > is > > that we must consider this fact and incorporate training that takes > this > > factor into consideration. > > Some of the stuff in Asian martial arts is so brutal that I periodically > have to do some soul searching about practicing it. I really wonder > about > this point of view. > > > Again we must consider our society in our training. This was the > author's > > premise. > > I'm hard pressed to think of anything in Asian MA that becomes > inapplicable > in the Western world by virtue of the fact that it came from Asia. You > are > well traveled, do you agree with the author's ideas? > > Peace, > Dave > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Piotr Bernat Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 08:30:18 +0200 Subject: the_dojang: Re: USTU politics > JSaportajr@aol.com wrote: > > << I am the one who is not planning to renew my membership. I am just a > run of the mill member and a bystander in all the politics. >> > Sally wrote: > Ronda > gave most excellent advice (and she's made it work!) -- learn the rules, > get involved, and you can help insure that everyone plays by the rules. > You can see wonderful changes in very little time. Agreed. It`s the same situation in our national organisation over here. Once I was on the Board, resigned due to politics, but I kept my membership. Now, some of the politicians inside just treat me as a pain in the a%%, since I can always send a fax containing an info that "Your letter from ...... is a violation of Asoociation`s Constitution and By-laws in such-and-such points". I`m really a stickler for details here and really learned how to use the rules. Regards - -- Piotr Bernat dantaekwondo@lublin.home.pl http://www.taekwondo.prv.pl ------------------------------ From: Nick McKenna Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 08:30:28 -0000 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Tang Soo Do and Wing Chun Dear All Unfortunately I have never studied Wing Chun. The basis behind my statement is our club manual which states the main influences on Tang Soo Do as Chinese Kung Fu (hence Tang), Okinawan Karate and Soo Bahk Do (or whatever you want to call the ancient art of Korea). My statement isn't based on personal experience. I think also that modern Tang Soo Do and Wing Chun may be very different (I don't know), but perhaps they were more similar in the past? Can anyone else shed any light on this? Thanks very much, Nick. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 06:42:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #178 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.