From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #180 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Sat, 18 March 2000 Vol 07 : Num 180 In this issue: the_dojang: Wing Chun & Tang Soo Do the_dojang: Re: Master Whalen=shoe suggestion the_dojang: Vee Arnis Jitsu advertising Re: the_dojang: Vee Arnis Jitsu advertising the_dojang: Denver HapKiDo the_dojang: N.H. Pekiti Seminar [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 800+ members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Morgan Kochel Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:20:42 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Wing Chun & Tang Soo Do Nick wrote: > Unfortunately I have never studied Wing Chun. The basis behind my statement > is our club manual which states the main influences on Tang Soo Do as > Chinese Kung Fu (hence Tang), Okinawan Karate and Soo Bahk Do (or whatever > you want to call the ancient art of Korea). My statement isn't based on > personal experience. I think also that modern Tang Soo Do and Wing Chun may > be very different (I don't know), but perhaps they were more similar in the > past? Can anyone else shed any light on this? I have studied both. Wing Chun is different from TSD in that it is designed for very closeup fighting. It not is not based on weight or strength, but on the ability to redirect opponent's strength (but it also includes punching and kicking, as well). It is Chinese Wushu, whereas TSD is Korean "Karate". I would classify Wing Chun as somewhere between a hard and soft art. There is probably a bit more blocking involved than striking. You work much more with your opponent's chi/ki than in TSD. Hope that helps! Pilseung! Morgan ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 13:25:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: Master Whalen=shoe suggestion Master Whalen: I have used Discipline Shoes and find they are great. Since your a school owner, you should get a better discount. Call 508-620-1788. They are in your area, you know where they have that funny Boston accent. Ken McD... P.S. My Dad was from Boston. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "Mitar" Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 00:17:00 +0100 cet Subject: the_dojang: Vee Arnis Jitsu advertising Mr McDonough, please don't take this offensive, but I have to say that your last e-mail about VAJ was nothing else but advertisment. I didn't think that anyone on the list would try to take advantage of Mr Terry's kindness. If you want to help the VAJ company, that's OK, but if I understood well, this list's owner and its members are in the whole thing to unselfishly share their knowledge with others as well as to learn something about Korean MA. Advertisments have to be paid to the media's (that publish it) owner. I doubt that you offered Mr Terry to pay him for your advertisment, though I'm sure he wouldn't accept it. At least you should have asked Mr Terry if it is okay to publish an advertisment on his uncommercial list. I'm saying that your e-mail was an advertisment from the next list: > 1. Production/Tape Quality: 9 > 2. Instructors demonstrated skill level: 10 > 3. Comprehension Score/Immediate Understanding: 10 > 4. Degree to which this will make someone a better Martial Artist: 10 > 5. Score on delivery vs hype: 10 > 6. Degree to which we would recommend this product: 10 > 7. Wasted Time ( The higher the number, the less " fluff" /repetition ): 10 > 8. Playback Score/Watching if over-and-over again: 10 > 9. Would I purchase more of this company's products: 10 > 10. Overall grade based on cost vs. Value: 10 > > Grand Total: 99% ( Excellent = 4.75 Stars out of possible 5 ) > > Secondary Grading Criteria: > > 1. Beginners benefit: Excellent > 2. Intermediate benefit: Excellent > 3. Advanced benefit: Excellent > 4. Time to benefit: Immediate for most > 5. The need to buy additional tapes to understand this one: Vee Arnis Jitsu > series from ESPY would be of value but is not a > necessity. Only a person that wants to sell something would praise it that much. You also wrote all possible data about the VAJ company and the VAJ video. > Company: Vee Arnis Jitsu > Tape Name: Vee Arnis Jitsu: " Take It To Them " > Tape Cost: $35.00 > Length of Tape/Time: Approximately 45 minutes > Number of Moves/Techniques: 7 Techniques + Variations + Many Concepts > Return Policy: ? > Experiences in dealing with this company: Excellent > The Instructor: David James > Company's Address: 25 Park Place, 2nd Floor, N.Y., N.Y., 10007 > Company's Phone Number: 212-349-3131 > Web Page: http://www.tcoz.com/veearnisjitsu/ > E-Mail: tcoz@tcoz.com If you wanted to say that VAJ is a great defence system, than you should have given some real info about it, and not: > 2. Shoulder Twist To Stranglehold: This is an extremely effective first > strike move against someone who is trying to shove you with both hands. If > you want to know how to keep a skilled fighter from throwing you, the > answer is in this move. I study economics, and that is the kind of advertisment that will surely work, they teach us. Tell the potential customer something he would like to know about very much, but not the complete info, of course. He will find the full answer when he buys your product (book, video, etc.). I think that many people on the list would like to know the answers what to do in mentioned situations. Instead you told us to buy the video to find the answers, far more honorable thing to do would be to give those answers. If you weren't able to write down the answers due to the video author's rights, than you shouldn't mention that techniques at all. Please don't take this offensive and disrespectful, and don't think that I'm trying to be Mr Terry's lawyer. I just don't like that anyone takes advantage of people because they are too kind and polite. Sincerely, Milic Mitar ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:20:04 PST Subject: Re: the_dojang: Vee Arnis Jitsu advertising > trying to be Mr Terry's lawyer. I just don't like that anyone takes advantage > of people because they are too kind and polite. Actually I'm a mean and nasty a**hole, I just have a lot of people fooled. :) I don't have a problem with what Ken did. Trust me, if I did he would have known about it. That is what moderating (my function here) is all about. But I do appreciate your comments. Thanks. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Jere R. Hilland" Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 23:19:50 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Denver HapKiDo I would also like to recommend Mr. Walter Chipley as I also know him and have spent time on the mats with him and would positively recommend him as the 'real deal'. Jere http://homepages.go.com/~jrhilland/HapkiDojang.html Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 19:57:24 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Denver HapKiDo Walter Chipley is now operating a HapKiDo school in Arvada, CO under the USKMAF. Walter trained with me at the HQ school in Jackson, MS for several years and relocated a few years ago to the Denver area and has decided to go out on his own. Walter Chipley is an EXCELLENT teacher, practitioner and person and I give him my highest recommendation Walter can be reached at 303-424-3843, or at wchipleyfa@aol.com... J. R. West www.hapkido.com ------------------------------ From: "BILL MCGRATH" Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 09:58:49 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: N.H. Pekiti Seminar I will be conducting a Solo Baston and Knife Abcedario seminar next Saturday, March 25th in Nashua, New Hampshire. The Abcedario covers 12 sets of 12 attacks with both the single stick and knife. It's a great way to add additional "vocabulary" to your strikes and transitions. The stick sets cover a great variety of strikes with all parts of the stick plus transitional parried between the strikes. The knife sets covers single knife attacks in both hammer and icepick grips as well as two knives both held in icepick grip. For additional information please contact: Mr. Don MacKay (603) 889-6181 Hope to see you there. Regards, Tuhon Bill McGrath ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 07:50:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #180 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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