From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #200 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 27 March 2000 Vol 07 : Num 200 In this issue: the_dojang: Seniors National the_dojang: Adults not taking classes the_dojang: Newsletter Information the_dojang: Report Cards are Punishment? the_dojang: The Way We Do Things Here the_dojang: Corea vs. Korea the_dojang: report cards the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #198 the_dojang: Welcome the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #194 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #193 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #193 the_dojang: Re:BB PRomotion [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 800 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Olivos@aol.com Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 16:38:14 EST Subject: the_dojang: Seniors National I recently qualified for the Seniors National Championship and I was wondering if any of you have participated in this event. I would welcome any insight or words of wisdom you might have because I'm thinking about competing but I have never participated in a national event. Thank you Betty ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 17:15:20 EST Subject: the_dojang: Adults not taking classes In a message dated 3/27/00 12:45:38 PM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << I have been reading of some of the difficulties the instructors experience with the sideline parents. I just wanted to say that our school offers an adult class that the children can take with the parents and it has worked out really well. Many people wouldn't think that the mix of children and adult would work for it does well for us. I really think too that some of the parents that take the class not only learn TKD but how to be more assertive parents as well. I only wish we had more parents IN the class than on the sidelines. >> We have classes just for children ... for teens/adults ... and for childern/teens/adults together. No reason besides laziness that I can think of that would keep them away from working out with their kids. I do have many parents in here with their kids ... enjoying themselves ... and they have parents coming up to them and telling them how much they admire them for what they are doing and how they could "never" do that. My question to them is always ..."why not?" Boy, do they have a million excuses. Some injury or another that keeps them from being physical ... (then there is my black belt woman in here with two bad ankles and two bad knees and a few other women in here with bad hips and knees and one lady with a bad foot) ... I also admire the ones that get off their duffs and come join their kids in here. I also admire the ones that don't have kids in here and attend the adult classes. <> Ok Peggy ... why weren't you in that tournament? Let your son sit on the sidelines and yell for you when it is your turn up! You'll have fun. I know I did. :-) The commraderie with the other women competitors is great !! Illona ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 17:27:42 EST Subject: the_dojang: Newsletter Information In a message dated 3/27/00 12:45:38 PM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << That all being said, the way my KJN does it (which seems like the best to me, of course :-) ) is to have lists that the kids can sign if they got all A's or only A's and B's, and their names are listed in the monthly school newsletter. >> Well, first you say why discriminate against a child with a learning disability and then you don't list them in your own newsletter ... only the ones making all A's or B's? That isn't congruent. But we do list then in our newsletter. Everyone that turns in a report card and earns a star to put on their uniform (nothing lower than a C) or progress report goes in our newsletter ... we don't emphasize that it is an A or a B or a C ... Illona ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 17:23:41 EST Subject: the_dojang: Report Cards are Punishment? In a message dated 3/27/00 12:45:38 PM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << I think that sometimes the kids that aren't doing well in school really don't need to be punished again for that by being held back in their chosen extra-curricular activity. (I'm sure martial arts is more than just a hobby for most people on this list, but for many young students, that's primarily what it is.) Maybe they need something that they can do well at, even if they just aren't cut out to be an honor-role student? For them, the self- confidence that we always talk about martial arts fostering could be cut out from under them if they're held back in the studio because they're having problems in school. >> No one has to be an honor student to test in our school. No one has to make straight A's in my school to test. They have to be pulling at least a C ... anything lower than that and they should be doing more homework and working with a tutor to help them where they need it in school. Schoolwork comes first ... then karate. If you have no time for homework ... then there is no time for karate. As far as citizenship grades are concerned ... I believe they are important ... it tells you what kind of an attitude that child has in the school. How he treats others ... with respect or with no respect. Part of karate is attitude ... it is not all physical. And one of the ways to monitor that is to look at report cards ... progress reports ... and To Do Lists from parents. A person with a lack of respect hurts others ... verbally or physically. And that is not allowed in our school in order to advance here. I do not let adults move up in rank if their attitude is not good. So why wouldn't I ask it of a child? Illona ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 17:34:26 EST Subject: the_dojang: The Way We Do Things Here In a message dated 3/27/00 12:45:38 PM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Anyway, that seems like a reasonable way to emphasize that school is important, respect for your elders is expected and required, and still not bias yourselves against kids that are trying, but may not be doing as well at school. >> Well, some kids are auditory ... some are visual ... some are kinesthetic. So ......... when you are speaking to children ... some are simply not going to listen as well as others ... and do what you say because it went right by them. Visuals aids are necessary sometimes ... so we give out stars for them to wear on their uniform each time they bring in a good report card (nothing lower than a C ... satisfactory citizenship grades) ... it is also for the kinesthetic kids because they are handed the stars so they can feel it in their hands ... the accomplishment that they have earned. Some parents aren't aware that there is a problem with their kid or kids till someone points it out to them ... like maybe they might need a tutor for math or social studies or whatever ... they just keep making excuses that the kid and teacher don't click. Then when they reach the next grade ... the kid is really lost ... and the problem was never dealt with. Now we have an even bigger problem. We try to fix the problem before it gets out of hand ... scholastically and behavior wise. I like the way we do it ... and I like the way your instructor does it. To each his own way. And when you have your own school ........................ Illona ------------------------------ From: Dave Steffen Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 16:35:42 -0700 (MST) Subject: the_dojang: Corea vs. Korea I've seen this somewhere before... after reading most of it, I decided it was a work of propaganda put forward by someone with an axe to grind. Which isn't to say it isn't factually accurate, but.. > >From http://goldsea.com/Poll/corea.html >=20 > KOREA OR COREA? >=20 > We at GoldSea choose to honor the more natural rendering commonly > used in the English-speaking world prior to the Japanese annexation > and colonialization of Corea beginning in 1905. [...] > Other than that, the "K" spelling is used only in connoting > childlike ignorance of spelling conventions ("Kitty Kat" and > "Skool", for examples). Therefore, the American "K" spelling is: I think this is reaching a bit. English being the language it is -- bi= g vocabulary, alphabet borrowed from Latin, insane spelling conventions rooted in cultural conventions nobody even remembers... intentionally misspelling English words (intentionally) is a common advertising practice, as well as the occasional source of puns and jokes. Unintentional misspellings are the bane of every English teacher on the planet. (AFAIK, in Korean, misspellings don't exist! ;-) Grabbing onto a few examples of "K" vs "C" strikes me as being manipulative. > 1.offensive from a historical standpoint (remember "Peking" and > "Canton"?); > 2.violates western rendering conventions; To the best of my knowledge, there are no western rendering conventions - at least, none that are used outside of academia. Japan vs. Nippon? Heck, here in Colorado we can't even get people to agree on the pronunciation of "Pueblo". ;-) > 3.suggests a lack of sophistication toward Corea; and > 4.by connoting naivet=E9, imputes a lack of sophistication to > Corea and its people. >=20 > The Corea rendering will ultimately become universal when more Ameri= cans=20 > are educated as to its offensive and relatively recent origin. The=20= I'm not sure I buy this... if for no other reason, than that I have never once heard or seen any of my seniors (many of whom are Korean) complain or change the spelling. General Choi personally created the organization I'm a part of - the KoreAmerica Taekwon-do Union, as a branch of the ITF. Note the use of 'K'. We're KATU, not CATU, by the General's choice... and I'd be suprised if there were very many Koreans around who were more concerned about the Japanese impact on Korean culture. ;-) I may be very wrong here, but if this were posted on Usenet, I'd call it a troll. ;-) - -----------------------------------------------------------------------= - --- Dave Steffen Wave after wave will flow with the ti= de Dept. of Physics And bury the world as it does Colorado State University Tide after tide will flow and recede steffend@lamar.colostate.edu Leaving life to go on as it was... =09=09=09=09=09=09=09- Peart / RUSH "The reason that our people suffer in this way....=20 is that our ancestors failed to rule wisely". -General Choi, Hong Hi ------------------------------ From: "rich hodder" Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 16:20:17 PST Subject: the_dojang: report cards Regarding the requirement of report cards prior to testing, at my school, I do require them. The students know this before hand and it is discussed in class as to why. The why being, that over development in any one area or another causes imbalance, and as you know martial artists that are not balanced usually fall flat at some point. More to the point though is, that no one that is practicing the martial arts in any form is a normal person. All of them are above average or they would be at home with a TV remote or nintendo game. Given this and the responciblity we have as Instructors it is imperitive that we require more of our students than the public school systems. My students must have passsing grades in order to be considered for testing. If there are "c's" on the report card, they must improve that grade prior to the next testing. This works fairly well, it's not a threat or an outstreched bone, it is a goal. One that is achieveable. Most of my students are currently on the honor roll at their schools. Of course there are the ones who can not make "grades" in school programs. I have found that they are usually very bright children, as long as you treat them with respect. New subject, Thanks for the welcome, all that have written here and personally. Special thanks to Master West. Have Fun, Rich ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: TKDSCRIBE@aol.com Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 20:06:51 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #198 In a message dated 3/27/00 6:27:12 AM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: > Should we use the conventional spelling of Korea, or Corea, This really seems to be a case of much ado about nothing. There is nothing intrinsically superior about using "C" vs "K," it is merely convention, and no sleight is intended or implied by using the "Korea" spelling. SESilz ------------------------------ From: "Jere R. Hilland" Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 20:21:50 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Welcome <> I missed the original post, but I only know one fellow from that city with that name, a friend who is a taekwondo 7th dan. So folks, now that we have a collection 7th and 8th dans on this group, you now have access to information that in the old days, we just didn't have! It is a small world and it is getting smaller.... Jere http://homepages.go.com/~jrhilland/HapkiDojang.html ------------------------------ From: TKDSCRIBE@aol.com Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 20:36:16 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #194 In a message dated 3/25/00 9:30:38 AM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: > Women's only classes are necessary because of the reality of pervasive > > violence against women in our society. Many women don't trust men enough > > to train with them or simply can't emotionally handle training with > > them. Female on male violence is not pervasive so similarities or > > generalities can not be made in reverse. > > Just for the record, I recall the outcome of several studies -- published, I believe in U.S. News and World Report - indicating that "female on male" physical violence is actually perpetrated with equal or slightly greater frequency than "male on female." Naturally and unfortunately, the men, by virtue of strength, weight and perhaps skill, almost always cause greater and more frequent physical harm than female attackers do. It is also believed that there is very likely an "underreporting" of the incidence of "female on male" violence as men tend to be reluctant to reveal (to police, emergency room staff, or their friends) that their black eye or broken arm resulted from an attack by a woman. I know that, for other reasons, it is widely held that there is underreporting of "male on female" violence, too. "Why can't we all just get along?" Food for thought, eh? SESilz ------------------------------ From: TKDSCRIBE@aol.com Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 20:39:43 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #193 In a message dated 3/25/00 8:31:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: > Women are 10 times more likely than men to be victimized by an intimate. > This is a verifiable statistic. > Ten times more likely than what? More likely than men are, or, more likely than being victimized by a NON-intimate. Your statement is not clear. SESilz ------------------------------ From: TKDSCRIBE@aol.com Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 20:49:42 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #193 In a message dated 3/25/00 8:31:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: > i am not stating that a women only dojang or a men only dojang is a bad > idea...just that i believe it could be challenged in court. some fool is > going to want his 15 minutes of fame and will see this as an opportunity. > it's happened b4. > > melinda I have run my own dojang for twelve years and I never have, nor do I think I ever would, use gender as a reason to deny someone the opportunity to train with me. ...Gang affiliation, or rotten personal hygiene, perhaps, but I feel gender should not be an issue. There is a "women's only martial art studio" in my city, however, that does refuse membership to men. I have seen the caliber of black belt student they 'produce,' however, and based on this would want MY mom, sisters or fiancee to train in a coed environment. To each their own, I guess. SESilz ------------------------------ From: Judy Barnett Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 20:07:06 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re:BB PRomotion > Ken, Congratulations!!!! I understand the feeling, I too had asked to wait till I felt mentally and physically ready to test, and had the misfortune to tear my hamstring last December. Last Saturday (March 18th) - I got the priviledge ;) of testing with my son for 1st dan. Allowances were made for my still healing hamstring, but after 3 1/2 hours, we both were presented with our belts. Thanks to all on the list for the great advice on the hamstring. Judy B. 1st Dan American Nam Seo Kwan TKD > > > From: Ken Howard > Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:47:41 -0600 > Subject: the_dojang: RE: BB promotion > > Exit lurk mode.. > Update: In 1998 my instructors were pushing me to test for my BB and I > refused because I was not ready physically or mentally. The master agreed > to let me decide when I would be ready to test.(I can be more > stubborn/obstinate than a rock. My wife says I have as many brain cells as > one.) > > In March last year I requested the testing and the next day I kicked the > wrong 11 year old and rearranged my knee. Did you know it is not very > comfortable to have your leg bend at a right angle forwards? I canceled my > request at that point (so much for the idea of getting my belt before 50). I > had the last surgery in November and was told I would be able to walk (not > exactly what I wanted to hear). > > I was aiming at the possibility of testing in May or June of 2000. This past > month I have spent most of my spare time (including class time) doing > renovations on our new dojo. The head instructor told me day before > yesterday some of the lower belts were to be tested on Thursday (last night) > and he wanted me to be in attendance for it. I agreed and showed up. > > The testing was for me!! > > Allowances were made for my leg and my sleep deprivation. I did not > demonstrate my nose block techniques or bleed excessively. I felt brain dead > through the last couple of hours of it (maybe my wife is right about the > brain cells). I now have my Belt and I will appreciate some time off work to > rest/recover etc. > > I was told that a lot of my grading was done when I was in class and did not > need the full testing. > > Pass the da dit jow, it's time to lurk in a quiet corner. > > Ken Howard ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 18:26:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #200 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. 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